On 10/8/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">IOhannes m zmoelnig</b> <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thomas Mayer wrote:<br><br>>> Understandable, but that's not sexism.<br>>> And I have heard these terms from the mouths of women many, many times.<br><br>how does the fact that a group of people uses certain phrases prove that
<br>these phrases are not symptoms (or means) of oppression of this very group?</blockquote><div><br>Did I say anything about proving something?<br><br>The fact that using those two particular phrases is not sexism is evident by the meanings of the phrases and the definition of sexism. Only one of the phrases mentioned makes any differentiation between the sexes, and it describes a solitary act irrelevant to any relationship between the sexes. If there is sexism on this mailing list, it isn't evidenced by the presence of those two phrases.
<br><br>Pointing out that many women use those phrases was a response to the supposition that those phrases explain the absence of women from this mailing list. It was not intended to support the statement that the use of these phrases is not sexism; that much should be self-evident. I would not try to prove something using anecdotal observations.
<br><br>I'm surprised anyone would think there's sexism on this list. I don't even know what sex most of the posters are. I've never seen the subject of sex or gender come up before.<br><br>-Chuckk<br> </div>
<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">><br>> Wet dream can also relate to the dreams of water on Dune by Paul<br>> Atreides and gang bang can mean [t b b b b b b]
<br><br>indeed this is possible.<br>these phrases could also be not english at all and mean something like<br>"bubo bubo" and "forgive".<br><br><br>mfg.asdr<br>IOhannes<br><br>_______________________________________________
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