<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I came to Pd from SuperCollider. SC is very powerful and can sound amazing. Its power lies in the fact it is a object orientated language - if you want 500 oscillators you can just change a variable, rather than having to patch it by hand. I found I could do algorithmic stuff very easily as the system lended itself to do this..<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What it is not imo, is user friendly, which is why I picked up Pd. It became a headache when i wanted to use a gui to construct a sequencer of something....that in itself requires a different mind set to lay it out. Pd or Max is fairly intuitive in this regard and thus quicker to knock up new ideas. I guess I lost patience with it because i would reach a brick wall and not finish ideas which is very unconstructive. It was more- time head buried in documentation and not enough results..I felt life was too short!! (sorry). Also not coming from a programming background i guess didn't help/</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I f there was a bridge for SC like the csound one, that would be very nice. Using Pd for data structure and using some of SCs ugens..</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>S</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 15 Oct 2007, at 13:11, bbarros wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR>Take a look in SuperCollider. I used Max/MSP and<BR>CSound before, IMO you can do more with less effort once<BR>you learn this programming language (yes, it is a true programming language)<BR>Once you finished your patch it is also easy to modify and change comparing <BR>to max/msp. I like it.<BR><BR><A href="http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/">http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/</A><BR><A href="http://www.audiosynth.com/">http://www.audiosynth.com/</A><BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote"> 2007/10/15, Frank Barknecht <<A href="mailto:fbar@footils.org">fbar@footils.org</A>>:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hallo,<BR>David Schaffer hat gesagt: // David Schaffer wrote:<BR><BR>> I'm a stage/audiovisual technician willing to make a move into<BR>> digital arts. I've been using pd for quite some time know and I was<BR> > wondering if it would be useful for me to learn Max: according to<BR>> you guys, which of the two programs seems to be most widely used,<BR>> most popular, most promising in terms of future devellopements? Is<BR> > it worth to be good in both or to become "excellent" (whatever that<BR>> means...) in one of them? Is there another platform out there that<BR>> would be worth giving a look (outside of the established stuff like <BR>> pro tools, final cut, photoshop etc...) Thank you for your answers.<BR><BR>I once took a workshop in Max/MSP and it was very boring: I already<BR>knew everything except that [osc~] is called [cycle~] in Max.<BR><BR> The nice thing about both Max and Pd is that the programmes themselves<BR>are very simple tools. What you *really* learn when you learn one of<BR>them are things like algorithms, DSP techniques, composition theory,<BR>computer graphics, geometry etc. or more generally: ideas, and these <BR>aren't tied to a specific software or language.<BR><BR>I think it's good for a Pd user to also know a bit about Max, but IMO<BR>you don't need ot buy a copy of it, instead you should have the<BR>documentation pdfs (Max/MSP reference etc.) on your disk and maybe <BR>even read them from time to time.<BR><BR>Ciao<BR>--<BR> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at"> PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list<BR>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>