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In my defense (for my instigative comments earlier in the thread), im not macho/sexist in any way, I am simply lewd, loud and obnoxious and enjoy cynical humor, because the joke is not the joke, its the fact that some genuinely may laugh at it. Some may even call me an asshole, but hey, at least I didnt *start* this goddamned thread. Anyway if you were offended, too bad. Really, Im not sure where the "right" to not be offended comes from, but frankly, if the list (and PD by extension) is truly to be open, someones going to be offended - get used to it.<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I realize one of my responses was sent privately, but I really want to say, for the women (and yes, I agree, speaking of women as girls is pretty dismissive), on the list that lurk, if you are offended by any speech on this list, its your job to speak up, lest it be perpetuated. Same goes for any group or individuals. However, I share the confusion on where the hell this whole thing came from. Frankly I think its a non issue. My opinion may not count though, as I have a penis.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>But fuck, I really do hate feminism as it is an "ism", and by that I mean it has some strange life of its own. I could not be more for equality though. Well said.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">You know, I showed this thread to my girlfriend, and she basically rolled her eyes and laughed at everyone who takes this thread seriously. Stop trying to be so goddamned 'fair' and pay more attention to user experience in PD, its interface, compatibility and improving the overall experience of *using* the software. Perhaps all the *girls* (GROSS!!!!!) are using Max?</font></div> <br></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div><div><div>On Oct 18, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">On 10/18/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Yves Degoyon</b> <<a href="mailto:ydegoyon@free.fr">ydegoyon@free.fr</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> olaaaaa,<br><br>this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here...<br>i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet ..<br>you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so braindead<br>[maybe tired]. </blockquote><div><br>You never did explain why you claimed to read phrases like "wet dream" and "gang bang" here every day. Does this kind of language permeate the list whenever I turn my back? As far as I can tell your statement was a downright lie, and it caused a pretty long thread full of OT arguments. ==troll <br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">i started this thread mainly because i wonder why some women<br>feel the need to create their own structures and events, <br>and why we go straight to separatism,<br>separate women and men,</blockquote><div> .....<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> so why we should have different agendas?<br>one of the reason is that women can't take this macho c.r.ap. anymore.</blockquote><div><br>I'm not big on macho crap either, and you obviously aren't. A lot of times when people form their own separate structures, it's as much shyness as intimidation. Has THIS happened due to the language on this list?? <br><br>Anyway I don't interpret crass humor as macho.<br>Is Southpark macho? 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