<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I don't think Pd is the problem. It is built and they are coming. The problem is related to the nature of this community, this mailing list. I think the large majority of people on this list would like it to be less hostile and more welcoming. One thing that many people, male and female, find quite annoying are things like the recent "about sexy-ism" thread. Women receive many times more of this attention, and are quite understandably less willing to tolerate it (i.e. they will not participate in this community, as is pretty clearly the case).</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am asking no one to censor themselves, I am asking people to find an appropriate forum for their comments, so we can have an inclusive list about Pd.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 26, 2007, at 1:04 PM, vade wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Chuck, for what its worth, I completely agree with you. Let PD evolve and serve its community, and dont foist it on any group. <DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If you build it, they will come - assuming they are even interested.</DIV><DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"The best way to be "gender neutral" is not to make the distinction."</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Word. 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