<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>And the help menu stuff works fine?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Well, good news - I only had the crash when running an autobuild (pde 0.40.3) from September. I'm using October 26th's now and the crash no longer occurs.<DIV><BR class="webkit-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Luke<BR> <BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 11/2/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Hans-Christoph Steiner</B> <<A href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <DIV style="word-wrap:break-word"><DIV><BR> </DIV><DIV>If you feel like testing what in particular is causing the bug, you could try commenting out things in the <A href="http://pd.tk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> pd.tk</A>:</DIV><DIV><BR> </DIV><DIV>Pd.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd.tk</DIV><DIV><BR> </DIV><DIV>It's just a text file. Check around line 614, $mbar.help is the help menu for any patch. The help menu for the Pd window is called .mbar.help, that comes earlier in the file. </DIV><DIV><BR> </DIV><DIV>I don't have access to a 10.5 machine, so I won't be able to try anything.</DIV><DIV><BR> </DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV><SPAN class="e" id="q_116035772004ceae_1"><DIV>On Nov 1, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: </DIV><BR></SPAN></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><SPAN class="e" id="q_116035772004ceae_3">Hallo, I can confirm this...<DIV>Must have something to do with Leopard's wacky new searchable menus feature, which is built in to the Help menu. <BR><DIV><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 11/1/07, <B class="gmail_sendername"> Luiz Naveda</B> <<A href="mailto:lab.naveda@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">lab.naveda@gmail.com </A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hallo list! <BR><BR><BR>I've just installed latest PD-extended in Macbook OSX 10.5 Leopard. <BR>When I try to click on the help menu, it crashes. I 've experimented<BR>the same problem a couple of years ago in other macs. 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