<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Tcl/Tk shares a similar problem with many "dynamic languages" in that they are hard to debug, since everything happens at runtime. The delayed execution levels in Tcl using "" [] and {} can be a mind bender.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Gumby, nice, lol.<BR>I have now discovered that someone created Tcl/Tk interpreters for Csound too. There goes the next few months of my life.<BR>I have to ask, though (reply off-list if it's too OT): when you say Tcl is wacky, just how wacky do you mean? I noticed that its handling of most programming capabilities is pretty off-beat, but I'm finding it very easy to learn and understand, as others have said. Would you say there are serious flaws or inefficiencies, or is it just idiosyncratic? <BR><BR>-Chuckk<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 11/6/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Hans-Christoph Steiner</B> <<A href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <DIV style=""><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Tcl is whacky, but Tk is quite flexible and well developed for making GUIs. Check out tomorrow's auto-build if you want to make your mouse cursor turn into gumby :) It's in hcs/cursor- help.pd</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV><SPAN class="e" id="q_11612e20fa22ef70_1"><DIV>On Nov 5, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:</DIV><BR></SPAN></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><SPAN class="e" id="q_11612e20fa22ef70_3"> I have now discovered the wonder that is Tcl/Tk.<BR>There goes the next few weeks of my life...<BR><BR>-Chuckk<BR></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR clear="all"><BR>-- <BR><A href="http://www.badmuthahubbard.com"> http://www.badmuthahubbard.com</A></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><DIV>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>