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<div><br></div><div>There is much that can and should be done. Here's some ideas ranked into of difficulty:</div><div><br></div><div>- file a bug report when a help patch is not working</div><div>- write and improve help patches, and submit them to the patch tracker</div><div>- add a search pane to the help panel</div><div>- help design and code a library format that bundles objectclasses, helpfiles, manuals, examples, etc then write code to index it all, and create a GUI to navigate that content</div><div><br></div><div>At this point, I think it is mostly a waste of time to do constant little workarounds like moving around objects. We should be putting our scarce resources towards real improvements, not temporary fixes, IMHO.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On May 17, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Rich E wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Working here too. Thanks, again it looks great!<br><br>I wanted to mention that one of the most intimidating things for me when I was first learning about all the externals in pd is that nothing was working by default and I didn't know how to get it working. Pd-extended has come a long way since then, and now I know how to look for missing paths, where to find sources and compile, etc., but I am sure there are many others that give up on pd-extended when things seem 'broken'.<br> <br>I guess what I am suggesting is that something, anything, be one so that the help files can find the externals and the externals can find the help files, by default. If there are issues about organization that are later to be sought out, maybe externals like [pvoc~] should be moved into flatspace until a better solution is committed?<br> <br>rich<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style=""> <br><div><div class="Ih2E3d"><div>On May 15, 2008, at 5:37 AM, Rich E wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">The May 9th build doesn't have the same problem. I've also tried the newest nightly build on both Gutsy and Hardy, they have the same "stacksmashing" error.</blockquote> <div><br></div></div><div>Today's build gets rid of the stacksmashing error (for me at least). Please test! :D</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-15/" target="_blank">http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2008-05-15/</a></div> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br><blockquote type="cite">So now that I've ben searching around in the new Pd-extended, here are some things I noticed:<br> <br>- The new hotkeys (clear console, open help browser) don't work.</blockquote> <div><br></div></div><div>Fixed.</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>- dragging the pd console window (making it longer) makes the panel longer too, even if it is already big enough (which it is by default</blockquote> <div><br></div></div><div>Yeah, that could be a lot nicer...</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><blockquote type="cite">- bsaylor's [pvoc~] and [partconv~] externals cannot be found because the path isn't added by libdir (the rest of the externals in the folder appear to be in extra/flatspace, so they can be found. adding /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/bsaylor to the paths list fixes this.<br> <br>That is as far as I've looked.. time to start messing around more. It looks great, by the way!<br><br>Also, I would like to learn how to commit the changes that I know how to do so Hans doesn't have to bother, but I am having problems with svn right now. I posted another message about this. <br> <br>regards,<br>rich<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at" target="_blank">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br> ><br> > You can now file bug reports from the Help menu in Pd-extended.<br> > Please file a bug report for this.<br> <br> </div>i cannot:<br> "/usr/bin/gnome-open<br> '<a href="http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=55736&atid=478070</a>'<br> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action<br> command associated with this location."<br> <br> <br> i guess i should file a bug-report :-)<br> <br> fgmasdr<br> <font color="#888888">IOhannes<br> </font><div><div></div><div><br> _______________________________________________<br> <a href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at" target="_blank">PD-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div></div><br><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><br> <div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>All information should be free. - the hacker ethic</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br></span> </div> <br></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>"Free software means you control what your computer does. 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