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<div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to try to beat me to the punch and make their own Tcl 8.5 builds, please do! I'll help where I can.</div><br><div><div>On May 28, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I'm excited to try it out!<br><br>~Kyle<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> For the next Pd-extended release, it'll use Tcl/Tk 8.5, which<br> includes a lot of work done on the Mac OS X graphics side of things.<br> That should make things faster.<br> <br> .hc<br> <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br> On May 27, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:<br> <br> > Hi Matt,<br> ><br> > both problems are well known. On OSX, the Coreaudio interface is quite<br> > CPU hungry. Using Jack is recommended. Myself and others have posted<br> > several times about this.<br> ><br> > And as far as the GUI goes, I've been bringing this issue up for years<br> > now. You can check the archives yourself and see. In short, PD's<br> > GUI is<br> > slower on OSX than any other OS. The solutions which are often<br> > suggested<br> > to me when I complain about this are a) use less GUI objects, b)<br> > become<br> > a developer and fix it yourself and c) use Linux. I chose the last,<br> > and<br> > found that my patches ran 50% better using Linux on the same<br> > Powerbook.<br> ><br> > best,<br> > d.<br> ><br> > Matt Barber wrote:<br> ><br> >> If I am having PD run through coreaudio, either built-in or through a<br> >> firewire interface, the cpu usage jumps to a consistently high 25% to<br> >> 50% just by clicking "compute audio."<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >> Then, if I connect to jack (using jackpilot), computing audio<br> >> shows no<br> >> huge jump in cpu, so that problem disappears.<br> >><br> >> The other problem is that any vu meters connected to [env~] -- even<br> >> running at 16384 -- will make the "Pd" or "Pd-extended" processes<br> >> (not<br> >> the "pd" process as before) jump to between 15% and 30%, but the<br> >> corresponding jump does not show up in pd's cpu loadmeter.<br> ><br> > --<br> > derek holzer ::: <a href="http://www.umatic.nl" target="_blank">http://www.umatic.nl</a> ::: <a href="http://blog.myspace.com/" target="_blank">http://blog.myspace.com/</a><br> > macumbista<br> > ---Oblique Strategy # 36:<br> > "Consult other sources<br> > -promising<br> > -unpromising"<br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > <a href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/</a><br> > listinfo/pd-list<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </div></div>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> ----<br> <br> "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we<br> don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of<br> Environmentalism", by Curtis White<br> <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> <a href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>-----<br>------------<br> ---- -----<br>---- -------- - ------<br><a href="http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com">http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com</a><br><a href="http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz">http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz</a></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span> </div><br></body></html>