<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Please<br><br>somebody installed the Pd-Extended in architectural from AMD 64?<br><br>I tried some versions but until here nothing on<br><br><br><br><br><div> </div>________________________________<br>http://giulianobici.blogspot.com<br>+ 55 (11) 9477-5641<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Mensagem original ----<br>De: "pd-list-request@iem.at" <pd-list-request@iem.at><br>Para: pd-list@iem.at<br>Enviadas: Domingo, 15 de Junho de 2008 18:13:23<br>Assunto: Pd-list Digest, Vol 39, Issue 54<br><br>Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br><br>To subscribe or
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4. Re: Abstractions search path hirarchy (was: pduino-arduino<br> trouble) (Roman Haefeli)<br> 5. Re: better tabread4~ (Charles Henry)<br> 6. Re: Abstractions search path hirarchy (was: pduino-arduino<br> trouble) (Frank Barknecht)<br> 7. Re: Abstractions search path hirarchy (was: pduino-arduino<br> trouble) (Roman Haefeli)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:28:01 +1000<br>From: Max Neupert <<a ymailto="mailto:abonnements@revolwear.com" href="mailto:abonnements@revolwear.com">abonnements@revolwear.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc1 released<br>To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a ymailto="mailto:hans@eds.org"
href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:B79C3816-CC33-4225-961C-7B298DB27503@revolwear.com" href="mailto:B79C3816-CC33-4225-961C-7B298DB27503@revolwear.com">B79C3816-CC33-4225-961C-7B298DB27503@revolwear.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed<br><br>done.<br><br>Am 2008-06-15 um 23:01 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:<br><br>><br>> Strange one, could you file a bug report?<br>><br>> .hc<br>><br>> On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Max Neupert wrote:<br>><br>>> do the following to reproduce a crash (tested on os x, don't know<br>>> about other systems)<br>>><br>>> open pd<br>>> navigate to menu -> Pd-extended -> About Pd...<br>>> select some of the text<br>>> close the window<br>>>
crash<br>>><br>>><br>>> Am 2008-06-04 um 20:59 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:<br>>><br>>>><br>>>> For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and<br>>>> user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look<br>>>> that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots<br>>>> of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal <br>>>> app.<br>>>> There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is<br>>>> getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing<br>>>> now but will come later)<br>>>><br>>>> <a href="http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html" target="_blank">http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html</a><br>>>><br>>>> Here is a partial changelog:<br>>>><br>>>> - next visual appearance designed for
readability (it can run slower<br>>>> on machines < 1 GHz)<br>>>><br>>>> - default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.<br>>>> GNU/Linux: /usr/share/pd and ~/pd<br>>>> Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd<br>>>> Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/<br>>>> Application Data/Pd<br>>>><br>>>> - lots of standard key bindings added:<br>>>> Enter/Return for OK<br>>>> Escape for Cancel<br>>>> Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows<br>>>> on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows<br>>>> on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows<br>>>> Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window<br>>>> Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd
window<br>>>> Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console<br>>>> Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser<br>>>><br>>>> - you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on<br>>>> Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in <br>>>> paths<br>>>><br>>>> - cut/copy/paste now work directly into text boxes on all platforms<br>>>><br>>>> - [declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading, much work needs<br>>>> to be done before there namespace support is complete<br>>>><br>>>> - "File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/)<br>>>><br>>>> - fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console<br>>>><br>>>> - included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X<br>>>><br>>>> KNOWN
BUGS<br>>>><br>>>> - check <a href="http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker" target="_blank">http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker</a> before reporting bugs<br>>>><br>>>> - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup<br>>>> preferences<br>>>><br>>>> - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd<br>>>><br>>>> - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying<br>>>> to load it<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> .hc<br>>>><br>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- <br>>>> --<br>>>> --<br>>>> ----<br>>>><br>>>> I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and<br>>>> during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle <br>>>> man<br>>>> for Big Business, for Wall
Street and the bankers. - General<br>>>> Smedley Butler<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> Pd-announce mailing list<br>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Pd-announce@iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-announce@iem.at">Pd-announce@iem.at</a><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce</a><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/</a><br>>>> listinfo/pd-list<br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> <a
ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/</a> <br>>> listinfo/pd-list<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <br>> ------<br>><br>> "Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free <br>> software means someone else controls that, and to some extent <br>> controls you." - Richard M. Stallman<br>><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:45:15 +0200<br>From: Roman Haefeli <<a ymailto="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de" href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PD] Abstractions search path hirarchy (was:<br>
pduino-arduino trouble)<br>To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a ymailto="mailto:hans@eds.org" href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>Message-ID: <1213541115.6286.2.camel@yoyo><br>Content-Type: text/plain<br><br>On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 15:16 +0200, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br>> It should do that already. I don't remember why it didn't in this case.<br><br>i am HEAVILY against this. please, before you change that in<br>pd-extended, provide a patch to change the behaviour in pd-vanilla.<br>actually i don't care too much which way it is implemented, but i do<br>care A LOT that it is consistent over all distros. <br><br>your disciple of the curch of consistency<br>roman<br><br><br><br> <br>___________________________________________________________ <br>Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten
vom PC zum PC: <a href="http://messenger.yahoo.de" target="_blank">http://messenger.yahoo.de</a><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:49:29 +0200<br>From: Roman Haefeli <<a ymailto="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de" href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PD] 3dp<br>To: el jay <<a ymailto="mailto:fotorebelion@gmail.com" href="mailto:fotorebelion@gmail.com">fotorebelion@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>Message-ID: <1213541369.6286.7.camel@yoyo><br>Content-Type: text/plain<br><br>please someone confirm, what i am going to say:<br><br>pd-extended comes with an internal settings-file, which loads all the<br>libraries. if you accidently (or intentionally) changed some settings<br>(sound, pathes etc.) and you hit 'save', a .pdsettings file to your home<br>directory was written,
which overrides the one that comes with<br>pd-extended. this is just a guess, but probably worth to check.<br><br>roman<br><br><br>On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 15:49 +0200, el jay wrote:<br>> i have been playing with the nightly build of 12-06-008, when<br>> installed if from the .deb for gutsy the the 3dp externals worked<br>> perfectly and i spent a few hours playing with its possiblites..<br>> i shutdown and went home.. the next day.. i opened pd and the 3dp<br>> externals where no longer there...<br>> i unistalled and reinstalled.. and they are still not working<br>> anymore..<br>> why could this be?<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list"
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text/plain<br><br>rethinking this again, i came to the conclusion:<br><br>the actual behaviour shouldn't be changed. afaik, it is not possible to<br>shadow classes of pd or from binary libraries. changing actual behaviour<br>would lead to many incosistencies, where sometimes an local abstraction<br>would shadow library classes and sometimes not. internal classes<br>couldn't be shadowed anyway. it would make the pd-world definitely more<br>troublesome. unless it is possible to shadow EVERYTHING (classes from<br>binary libraries and internals), this shouldn't be changed, IMO. <br><br>i am much more in favor of consistencies in the wrong way than<br>inconsistencies in the right way.<br><br>roman<br><br><br>On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 16:45 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:<br>> On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 15:16 +0200, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br>> > It should do that already. I don't remember why it didn't in this case.<br>> <br>> i am HEAVILY
against this. please, before you change that in<br>> pd-extended, provide a patch to change the behaviour in pd-vanilla.<br>> actually i don't care too much which way it is implemented, but i do<br>> care A LOT that it is consistent over all distros. <br>> <br>> your disciple of the curch of consistency<br>> roman<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ___________________________________________________________ <br>> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: <a href="http://messenger.yahoo.de" target="_blank">http://messenger.yahoo.de</a><br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list"
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href="mailto:518fe7b20806150919j1b086f6fo5234a890a2749636@mail.gmail.com">518fe7b20806150919j1b086f6fo5234a890a2749636@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:29 AM, cyrille henry<br><<a ymailto="mailto:cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr" href="mailto:cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr">cyrille.henry@la-kitchen.fr</a>> wrote:<br><br>> well, i think the tabread4~ interpolation is a lagrange interpolator (but<br>> i'm may be wrong).<br>> at least with tabread4~, the 1st derivative is not continuous, while it<br>> should be with a cubic interpolation.<br><br>The Lagrange interpolation scheme is not continuous, because it fits a<br>polynomial through 4 points (-1, 0 ,1 , 2) and interpolates between 0<br>and 1. But when it goes to the next 4 points (0, 1, 2, 3), it fits<br>another polynomial and interpolates between 1 and 2. So, the<br>discontinuity in 1st derivative is at
each sample.<br><br>><br>> i program a cubic interpolation, and the shape of the waveform is really<br>> different.<br>><br>> please compile the object and look at the help patch to see the difference.<br>><br>> i can also send waveforme picture if needed.<br><br>I'm having trouble compiling, due to the garray_getfloatwords symbol.<br>Which version of Pd are you using?<br><br>I'd like to see the waveform and test it out. Here's my analysis of key points<br><br>(a=x[-1], b=x[0], c=x[1], d=x[2])<br><br> 83 a0 = d - c - a + b;<br> 84 a1 = a - b - a0;<br> 85 a2 = c - a;<br> 86 *out++ = ((a0*frac+a1)*frac+a2)*frac+b;<br><br>At frac=0, output should be b. Check!<br><br>At frac=1, output should be c<br><br>((a0*1+a1)*1+a2)*1+b<br>=a0+a1+a2+b<br>=d-c-a+b
+ a-b-(d-c-a+b) + c-a + b<br>=d-c-a+b + a-b-d+c+a-b + c-a + b<br>=d-c-a+b + 2a-2b+c-d + c-a + b<br>=c<br><br>Check!<br><br>1st derivatives:<br><br>At frac=0,<br>d/dx f(x) = c-a<br><br>(This quantity really ought to be (c-a)/2, but let's see how the rest comes out)<br><br>At frac=1,<br><br>d/dx f(x) = 3*(d-c-a+b) + 2*(a-b-d+c+a-b) + c-a<br>=d-b<br><br>So, we've got 1st derivatives that match between samples. Check!<br><br>This looks like a really good plan. I might suggest some new<br>coefficients to try:<br><br>a0=(3b-a-3c+d)/2<br>a1=a-5b/2+2c-d/2<br>a2=(c-a)/2<br><br>The only difference is the 1st derivatives are (c-a)/2 and (d-b)/2,<br>respectively.<br><br>Maybe you could try a 5th-degree polynomial next and set the 2nd<br>derivatives for continuity. This would involve 4-points as before,<br>but it might introduce a ripple in the
interpolation (cubic<br>interpolation can't do that, since it only has two critical points).<br><br>I'm not keen on doing the spectral analysis, because it would take<br>about 4 hours, to do it by hand.<br><br>There's something I would like to see (once I can compile it). I made<br>a patch (attached) a while back to view the tabread4~ interpolation<br>function (impulse response). Give it a try if you're inclined to do<br>so, because it might surprise you.<br><br>Chuck<br><br>><br>><br>> cyrille<br>><br>><br>>><br>>> Chuck<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><br>>> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list"
target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br>>><br>>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: view_tabread4~_impulse_response.pd<br>Type: application/octet-stream<br>Size: 1181 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>Url : <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20080615/0c492a98/attachment-0001.obj" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20080615/0c492a98/attachment-0001.obj</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:53:51 +0200<br>From: Frank Barknecht <<a ymailto="mailto:fbar@footils.org" href="mailto:fbar@footils.org">fbar@footils.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PD] Abstractions search path hirarchy (was:<br> pduino-arduino trouble)<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at"
href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:20080615165351.GA6774@fliwatut.scifi" href="mailto:20080615165351.GA6774@fliwatut.scifi">20080615165351.GA6774@fliwatut.scifi</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br>Hallo,<br>Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:<br><br>> the actual behaviour shouldn't be changed. afaik, it is not possible to<br>> shadow classes of pd or from binary libraries. changing actual behaviour<br>> would lead to many incosistencies, where sometimes an local abstraction<br>> would shadow library classes and sometimes not. internal classes<br>> couldn't be shadowed anyway. it would make the pd-world definitely more<br>> troublesome. unless it is possible to shadow EVERYTHING (classes from<br>> binary libraries and internals), this shouldn't be changed, IMO. <br><br>Btw.: Miller is working on making shadowing even builtins possible.<br>Check
pd-dev, unless you've already seen it.<br><br>Ciao<br>-- <br> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:11:30 +0200<br>From: Roman Haefeli <<a ymailto="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de" href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PD] Abstractions search path hirarchy (was:<br> pduino-arduino trouble)<br>To: Frank Barknecht <<a ymailto="mailto:fbar@footils.org" href="mailto:fbar@footils.org">fbar@footils.org</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>Message-ID: <1213549890.6286.19.camel@yoyo><br>Content-Type: text/plain<br><br>On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:53 +0200, Frank
Barknecht wrote:<br>> Hallo,<br>> Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:<br>> <br>> > the actual behaviour shouldn't be changed. afaik, it is not possible to<br>> > shadow classes of pd or from binary libraries. changing actual behaviour<br>> > would lead to many incosistencies, where sometimes an local abstraction<br>> > would shadow library classes and sometimes not. internal classes<br>> > couldn't be shadowed anyway. it would make the pd-world definitely more<br>> > troublesome. unless it is possible to shadow EVERYTHING (classes from<br>> > binary libraries and internals), this shouldn't be changed, IMO. <br>> <br>> Btw.: Miller is working on making shadowing even builtins possible.<br>> Check pd-dev, unless you've already seen it.<br><br>oh, thanks. i usually read pd-dev, but obviously i missed the point<br>here. <br><br>hans:<br>it seems you're coming up with this at the right
time, so forget my<br>concerns ;-) sorry for the noise.<br><br>roman<br><br><br><br> <br>___________________________________________________________ <br>Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: <a href="http://messenger.yahoo.de" target="_blank">http://messenger.yahoo.de</a><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Pd-list mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a><br>to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see<br><a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br><br><br>End of Pd-list Digest, Vol 39, Issue 54<br>***************************************<br></div></div></div><br>
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