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<div><br></div><div>Looks like it is a problem with pyext, since that's what is on top of the crashdump. Try it with a patch that doesn't use python.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Jun 27, 2008, at 6:01 PM, bbarros wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hallo Hans,</div><div><br></div>pd-extended crashes just after launching in my machine. I'm using OS 10.5.3 in a MacBook Pro.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;">System Configuration:</span></div> <div><br></div><div><div>Model: MacBookPro2,2, BootROM MBP22.00A5.B07, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.33 GHz, 2 GB</div><div>Graphics: kHW_ATIr520Item, ATY,RadeonX1600, spdisplays_pcie_device, 256 MB</div><div>Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz</div> <div>Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM1, 1 GB, DDR2 SDRAM, 667 MHz</div><div>AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme, 1.3.5</div><div>Bluetooth: Version 2.1.0f17, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports</div> <div>Network Service: AirPort, AirPort, en1</div><div>Serial ATA Device: FUJITSU MHW2120BH, 111.79 GB</div><div>Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-857D, 789.4 MB</div><div>USB Device: Built-in iSight, Micron, high_speed, 500 mA</div> <div>USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, Apple Computer, full_speed, 500 mA</div><div>USB Device: General Purpose USB Hub, full_speed, 500 mA</div><div>USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA</div><div>USB Device: PCR-1, EDIROL, full_speed, 200 mA</div> <div>USB Device: IR Receiver, Apple Computer, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA</div><div>USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, Apple, Inc., full_speed, 500 mA</div><div><br></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"><br> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;">Log:</span></div> <div><div><br></div><div>Process: pd [2757]</div><div>Path: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../bin/pd</div><div>Identifier: pd</div><div>Version: ??? (???)</div><div> Code Type: X86 (Native)</div><div>Parent Process: Pd-extended [2752]</div><div><br></div><div>Date/Time: 2008-06-27 12:56:20.056 -0300</div><div>OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9D34)</div><div>Report Version: 6</div> <div><br></div><div>Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)</div><div>Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000</div><div>Crashed Thread: 7</div><div><br></div><div>Thread 0:</div><div>0 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0xffff0884 __memcpy + 228</div> <div>1 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x942665a2 szone_realloc + 2388</div><div>2 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x94265c0e malloc_zone_realloc + 88</div> <div>3 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x94265b81 realloc + 209</div><div>4 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x000440f7 sys_trytogetmoreguibuf + 34 (s_inter.c:614)</div> <div>5 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x00044251 sys_vgui + 182 (s_inter.c:661)</div><div>6 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f6fdf flext_base_multi::SetAttrib(_symbol const*, flext_base_multi::AttrItem*, flext_multi::AtomList const&) + 159</div> <div>7 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013e8eb2 pyobj::__setup__(flext_class*) + 18</div><div>8 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f549e flext_obj_multi::obj_add(bool, bool, bool, bool, char const*, char const*, void (*)(flext_class*), flext_obj_multi* (*)(int, _atom*), void (*)(flext_hdr*), int, ...) + 722</div> <div>9 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013e7b21 pyobj_setup() + 115</div><div>10 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f00e8 pybase::lib_setup() + 856</div> <div>11 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f4fd0 flext_obj_multi::lib_init(char const*, void (*)()) + 56</div><div>12 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f016b py_setup + 37</div> <div>13 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0004717f sys_do_load_lib + 615 (s_loader.c:204)</div><div>14 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x00047486 sys_load_lib + 43 (s_loader.c:241)</div> <div>15 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x00041cc7 glob_initfromgui + 355 (s_main.c:228)</div><div>16 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x00039f11 pd_typedmess + 737 (m_class.c:703)</div> <div>17 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0003d7df binbuf_eval + 1043 (m_binbuf.c:677)</div><div>18 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x000448ca socketreceiver_read + 1016 (s_inter.c:553)</div> <div>19 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x00043983 sys_domicrosleep + 367 (s_inter.c:193)</div><div>20 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x000439e8 sys_microsleep + 19 (s_inter.c:216)</div> <div>21 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0004185e m_scheduler + 658 (m_sched.c:492)</div><div>22 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x00043770 sys_main + 1524 (s_main.c:320)</div> <div>23 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x000021ae _start + 216</div><div>24 pd <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x000020d5 start + 41</div> <div><br></div><div>Thread 1:</div><div>0 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10</div><div>1 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267</div> <div>2 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48</div><div>3 com.grame.JackRouter <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x01103119 CAGuard::Wait() + 73</div> <div>4 com.grame.JackRouter <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0110eaf9 HP_Device::ExecuteAllCommands() + 57</div><div>5 com.grame.JackRouter <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0110768e CommandThread::ThreadEntry(CommandThread*) + 30</div> <div>6 com.grame.JackRouter <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x011039f1 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 129</div><div>7 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321</div> <div>8 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34</div><div><br></div><div>Thread 2:</div><div>0 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10</div> <div>1 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72</div><div>2 com.apple.CoreFoundation <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x914b50be CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1806</div> <div>3 com.apple.CoreFoundation <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x914b5cf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88</div><div>4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x96910464 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 160</div> <div>5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96</div><div>6 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321</div> <div>7 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34</div><div><br></div><div>Thread 3:</div><div>0 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9425b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10</div> <div>1 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x94262c9c mach_msg + 72</div><div>2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x00619f0f XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101</div> <div>3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0060c477 MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 111</div><div>4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0061007d XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 17</div> <div>5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0061a9ee CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96</div><div>6 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321</div> <div>7 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34</div><div><br></div><div>Thread 4:</div><div>0 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10</div> <div>1 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244</div><div>2 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47</div> <div>3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213</div><div>4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70</div> <div>5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759</div><div>6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17</div> <div>7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96</div><div>8 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321</div> <div>9 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34</div><div><br></div><div>Thread 5:</div><div>0 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9425b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10</div> <div>1 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244</div><div>2 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47</div> <div>3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9691fa47 CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213</div><div>4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x96921602 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70</div> <div>5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9691fda7 HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759</div><div>6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9691faab HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17</div> <div>7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x96910300 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96</div><div>8 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321</div> <div>9 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34</div><div><br></div><div>Thread 6:</div><div>0 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9425b4ee semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10</div> <div>1 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428d866 _pthread_cond_wait + 1267</div><div>2 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x942d3371 pthread_cond_wait + 48</div> <div>3 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f8a68 flext_multi::ThrCond::Wait() + 34</div><div>4 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f8b32 flext_multi::ThrHelper(void*) + 178</div> <div>5 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321</div><div>6 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34</div> <div><br></div><div>Thread 7 Crashed:</div><div>0 pool.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x0137516b lockfree::intrusive_fifo<FifoCell>::dequeue() + 51</div><div> 1 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013fd7c9 flext_multi::ToSysMsg(flext_multi::MsgBundle*) + 235</div><div>2 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013fd856 flext_base_multi::QWorker(flext_multi::thr_params*) + 74</div> <div>3 py.pd_darwin <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x013f8945 flext_multi::ThreadRegistryWorker() + 197</div><div>4 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c6f5 _pthread_start + 321</div> <div>5 libSystem.B.dylib <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>0x9428c5b2 thread_start + 34</div><div><br></div><div>Thread 7 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):</div><div> eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x013fd71e ecx: 0x0140fbe0 edx: 0xb040ef00</div> <div> edi: 0x0140fbe0 esi: 0xb040eef8 ebp: 0xb040eec8 esp: 0xb040ee90</div><div> ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x0137516b cs: 0x00000017</div><div> ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037</div> <div> cr2: 0x00000000</div><div><br></div><div>Binary Images:</div><div> 0x1000 - 0x88ff3 +pd ??? (???) <dc4d05cbfab34655975062595f856f42> /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd</div><div> 0x608000 - 0x625ff7 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 1.6 (42) /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreMIDI.framework/Versions/A/CoreMIDI</div> <div> 0x63d000 - 0x667ff2 +Jackmp ??? (???) <eda1094afad5e5ef5cc891ffcb4f7b27> /Library/Frameworks/Jackmp.framework/Versions/A/Jackmp</div><div> 0x68d000 - 0x6abfe3 libexpat.1.dylib ??? (???) <eff8a63a23a7d07af62b36fdb329e393> /usr/lib/libexpat.1.dylib</div> <div> 0x6c6000 - 0x6c9fff com.apple.audio.AudioIPCPlugIn 1.0.4 (1.0.4) <9ce6f675ce724b0ba4e78323b79cf95c> /System/Library/Extensions/AudioIPCDriver.kext/Contents/Resources/AudioIPCPlugIn.bundle/Contents/MacOS/AudioIPCPlugIn</div> <div> 0x6cf000 - 0x6d4fff com.apple.audio.AppleHDAHALPlugIn 1.5.7 (1.5.7a24) /System/Library/Extensions/AppleHDA.kext/Contents/PlugIns/AppleHDAHALPlugIn.bundle/Contents/MacOS/AppleHDAHALPlugIn</div><div> 0x1100000 - 0x1132fff +com.grame.JackRouter JackRouter (0.8.7) <0a3cf26f42807d1d6130f290e6d9fdc3> /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/HAL/JackRouter.plugin/Contents/MacOS/JackRouter</div> <div> 0x11d0000 - 0x11e4ffe +dyn~.pd_darwin ??? (???) /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/dyn~.pd_darwin</div><div> 0x1271000 - 0x1274fef com.apple.LiveType.component 2.1.3 (2.1.3) /Library/QuickTime/LiveType.component/Contents/MacOS/LiveType</div> <div> 0x1279000 - 0x12defde com.apple.LiveType.framework 2.1.3 (2.1.3) /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/LiveType.framework/Versions/A/LiveType</div><div> 0x12fe000 - 0x134e01f +com.DivXInc.DivXDecoder 6.0.5 (6.0.5) /Library/QuickTime/DivX 6 Decoder.component/Contents/MacOS/DivX 6 Decoder</div> <div> 0x1360000 - 0x137ffff +pool.pd_darwin ??? (???) /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pool.pd_darwin</div><div> 0x1393000 - 0x13a3ffe +delsplit.pd_darwin ??? (???) /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/delsplit.pd_darwin</div> <div> 0x13b5000 - 0x13d4ff8 +xsample.pd_darwin ??? (???) /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/xsample.pd_darwin</div><div> 0x13e7000 - 0x140cfff +py.pd_darwin ??? (???) /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/py.pd_darwin</div> <div> 0x1424000 - 0x1519fe3 +org.python.python 2.5a0 (2.5) /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Python</div><div> 0x18ab000 - 0x18acff3 +time.so ??? 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(???) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib</div><div><br></div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"> 2008/6/23 Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</a>>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div><br></div><div>I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things:</div><div> <br></div><div>- take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening</div><div>- take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening</div><div><br></div><div>The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug report and post a patch that has this behavior?</div> <div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><div><div>On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. </div> <div>Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2 minutes ( I timed it just now). Everytime I edit a section of it, things take a long time to regen as well. I have some GOPs nested in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that. I can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his is what I'm experiencing. <br> </div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini <<a href="mailto:lukexipd@gmail.com" target="_blank">lukexipd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid"> Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac.<br><br>The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed<br> for just such a thing.<br> <div><br>> - the GUI runs slower on some older Macs<br> </div>It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro<br>2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as<br> I mentioned in another thread). I never timed it before this<br> development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I<br>thought was long at the time :)).<br><br>I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down<br> when the loading issue began.<br><br> Other than that, I'm very happy. Thanks for all your hard work as always.<br><br>Cheers<br><font color="#888888">Luke<br></font> <div> <div></div> <div><br><br>On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@eds.org" target="_blank">hans@eds.org</a>> wrote:<br> ><br>> For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and<br> > user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look<br>> that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots<br> > of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app.<br> > There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is<br>> getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing<br> > now but will come later)<br>><br>> <a href="http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html" target="_blank">http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html</a><br> ><br>> Here is a partial changelog:<br>><br>> - next visual appearance designed for readability<br> ><br>> - default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.<br>> GNU/Linux: /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals<br> > Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd<br>> Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/<br> > Application Data/Pd<br>><br>> - lots of standard key bindings added:<br>> Enter/Return for OK<br> > Escape for Cancel<br>> Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows<br>> on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows<br> > on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows<br>> Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window<br> > Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window<br>> Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console<br> > Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser<br>><br>> - you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on<br> > Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths<br>><br> > - Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on<br>> all platforms<br>><br>> - fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console<br> ><br>> - [declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work<br> > needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)<br>><br>> - "File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX<br> ><br>> - new patches default to the folder last saved in<br> ><br>> - included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X<br>><br>> - 'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default<br> ><br>> - On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /<br> > usr/local<br>><br>> - On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the<br>> File menu.<br>><br> > KNOWN BUGS<br>><br>> - check <a href="http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker" target="_blank">http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker</a> before reporting bugs<br> ><br>> - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup<br> > preferences<br>><br>> - 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