<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Part of the problem is that the Ardour community is not as big as the Live community, so there aren't lots of people to ask questions or examples to see. Lluis Carbonell taught the basics of this kind of Ardour set up in a workshop in Gijon, Spain and I was really impressed. I had also just downloaded Ardour and poked around and never really knew what do with it. Seeing Lluis get a room full of people getting this big Ardour set up going was a great demo.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div><br></div><div><div>On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hans~<br><br>I have not tried Ardour+Jack+Pd+soft synths yet. I tried downloading Ardour one time to show my 7th grade math/audio tech student. However, it was with my G4 PowerBook running OSX 10.4 and was very shaky. He does like me showing him Ableton though, and even a bit of Pd!<br> <br>I'll give Ardour+Jack+Pd+soft synths (thanks copy/paste) a shot now that I have a newer-ish refurbished MacBook with OSX 10.5 on it. I'll probably end up tossing a Linux distro on here too, so we'll see.<br> <br>I finally got a decent synch between Live and Pd using Live's external instrument/effects devices. I used SoundFlower and Apple's IAC MIDI bus, and the test was with Andy's trumpet patch and fibonnacci reverb. It got me excited about the possibilities. I'm going to try using Jack again also.<br> <br>It's exciting to try these options. I don't want people to think I'm a hater!<br><br>~Kyle<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><br></div><div>How much have you used Ardour+Jack+Pd+soft synths? It is structured very differently that Ableton Live, but I think that is actually quite competitive in terms of what you can do with it. It is a different system that requires as much learning as Live does.</div> <div><br></div><div>You have been able to run Pd patches in tight sync with Ardour and a multitude of soft synths for years now. You just don't have nifty little embeddedness. So this really seems to me more a classic example of the core innovation happening in free software, then proprietary software taking the ideas and packaging them really nicely, and promoting them a lot. (I am not saying this is a bad thing).</div> <div><br></div><div>The iPhone is the classic version of that. The App Store is nice, you've been able to do that on Linux-based devices since the late nineties, but mostly with a command line interface.</div><div><br> </div><div>.hc</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><div><div>On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Live is not garbage. Incremental improvement != planned obsolescence. Making software for a business is not a sin. You get what you pay for.<br> <br>Open source is great. I appreciate everything that Pd and it's users stand for. However, trolling about a DAW when the free alternatives are 5 years back in the dust in terms of optimization, ease of use, and plain crash-resistance is just silly.<br> <br>Some people prefer to make music, not software. Some people prefer to make software, not music. Some people prefer to make software AND music. Some people make great music software but horrible music. Some people make great music but crummy software.<br> <br>~Kyle<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:57 AM, day five <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:day5ive@gmail.com" target="_blank">day5ive@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Live is garbage and so is their planned obsolescence business model...<br> what are they at version 56 by now?<br> <br> Now if they could embed jMax as a VST _then_ I'd be impressed.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ./d5<br> <div><div></div><div><br> _______________________________________________<br> <a href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>-----<br>------------<br> ---- -----<br>---- -------- - ------<br><a href="http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com</a><br> <a href="http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz" target="_blank">http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz</a><br> _______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=""> <br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div><div> kill your television</div><br></div></span> </div> <br></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>-----<br>------------<br> ---- -----<br>---- -------- - ------<br><a href="http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com">http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com</a><br><a href="http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz">http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz</a><br> </blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- Martin Luther King, Jr.</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span> </div><br></body></html>