well, some people are habing problems sending us the Forms, I dont know why... maybe some browser bug...<div><br></div><div>please dont panic, just try it gently and calmly, if any problems, let us know</div><div><br></div>
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1. Re: Question on SSSAD and scalability (Frank Barknecht)<br>
2. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?<br>
(IOhannes m zmoelnig)<br>
3. Re: steep filter? (Frank Barknecht)<br>
4. Re: Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th<br>
deadline! (Frank Barknecht)<br>
5. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Derek Holzer)<br>
6. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late? (Jaime Oliver)<br>
7. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Georg Holzmann)<br>
8. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Derek Holzer)<br>
9. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Alex Lucas)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:54:44 +0100<br>
From: Frank Barknecht <<a href="mailto:fbar@footils.org">fbar@footils.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Question on SSSAD and scalability<br>
To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
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Hallo,<br>
Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Frank Barknecht <<a href="mailto:fbar@footils.org">fbar@footils.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> The context that I was actually thinking was in trying to do "live<br>
> coding". Of all the times that I have been using SSSAD, my biggest<br>
> complaint about it is that I would always need to resave, close, and<br>
> reopen the file. It always seemed that the one instance of an SSSAD<br>
> reference that I was deleting was the FIRST ONE. Of course, doing that<br>
> was sure to make that parameters NOT SAVE, unless I reopened.<br>
<br>
A closebang would solve this. It will probably happen less often with local<br>
sssads.<br>
<br>
> > Now if you really worry about the load of having a lot of<br>
> > [route]-misses when sending message, I'd recommend to use the "local"<br>
> > senders in sssad, that are used when adding a second argument to a<br>
> > [sssad] object: [sssad key $0] will use a bus called [r $0-SSSAD] and<br>
> > [r $0-SSSAD_ADMIN] instead of the global ones.<br>
><br>
> My whole point of bringing this up has more to do with how an<br>
> "external" (yes, actual C code) might be able to implement the SSSAD<br>
> protocol. I can think of MANY EXTERNALS that would benefit by doing<br>
> this...<br>
><br>
> At the same time, that might make it appear that SSSAD is an accepted<br>
> standard in Pd. And Miller, himself has written on this very topic...<br>
> So, what is the means of storing data... is there one?<br>
<br>
Storing data is not in the realm of sssad - again this is by design and comes<br>
from my experience with RRADical/Memento where the storage was inside the<br>
saving system and tied to [pool].<br>
<br>
SSSAD is intended to to just one thing but do that right: Its purpose is to<br>
eavesdrop on the messages that objects send to each other and distribute them<br>
to rsp. modify them from a central place. That's all. What comes after that<br>
central place is up to the end user. It would be easy to make an external that<br>
does the same. sssad is just a wrapper around [list], [route] [send] and<br>
[receive]. One "S" in its name stands for "simple". ;)<br>
<br>
> I'm curious, but how many "externals" do you have with RjDj? I can<br>
> only assume that you can't do too much with it, other than the basic<br>
> implementation of Pd.<br>
<br>
Hm, I don't understand this question? RjDj is pretty much pure Pd and has<br>
almost no externals at all - which doesn't mean that you can't do much with it:<br>
For audio work Pd is very powerful and no externals are (strictly) necessary.<br>
<br>
Ciao<br>
--<br>
Frank<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:02:29 +0100<br>
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?<br>
To: danomatika <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>" <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
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danomatika wrote:<br>
> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote:<br>
><br>
>> paper submit page:<br>
>> <a href="http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php" target="_blank">http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php</a><br>
>><br>
>> paper upload page (once you have submitted it):<br>
>> <a href="http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php" target="_blank">http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php</a><br>
><br>
> Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ...<br>
><br>
<br>
you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations,<br>
workshops and papers with the above two links.<br>
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fgmasdr<br>
mfasdf.<br>
IOhannes<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:25:28 +0100<br>
From: Frank Barknecht <<a href="mailto:fbar@footils.org">fbar@footils.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] steep filter?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
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Hallo,<br>
Jo?o Pais hat gesagt: // Jo?o Pais wrote:<br>
<br>
> yes, I had seen that graphic as well. but trying out the highpass<br>
> iemfilters with noise, turns out that 10 hip~s work better.<br>
<br>
Hehe, I guess that's because you filter noise: It's harder to recognize the<br>
noise that the 10 hip stages added. :)<br>
<br>
> I looked in my list of pd-ext objects, but found no elliptic filters. are<br>
> there any, or any way of getting their coefficients to use with biquad~?<br>
<br>
Elliptic filters are rather hard to design, most of the time you will find<br>
Butterworth or Chebyshev designs in our little audio world.<br>
<br>
A biquad~ has only two poles and zeroes, so you would need to cascade several<br>
stages to get a really sharp filter.<br>
<br>
Ciao<br>
--<br>
Frank<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:30:59 +0100<br>
From: Frank Barknecht <<a href="mailto:fbar@footils.org">fbar@footils.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March<br>
9th deadline!<br>
To: PD List <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
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Hallo,<br>
hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:<br>
<br>
> yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly.<br>
><br>
> i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. that<br>
> was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the<br>
> abstractions was tied in with the gui component. i did it that way because<br>
> i didn't want to clutter the namespace with too many abstractions, and the<br>
> thought of one abstraction for function, and then a different one for GUI<br>
> was not appealing at the time.<br>
><br>
> but now, i think that is the only way to go. like, as you said, for<br>
> polyphony. and then also for the many many cases in which you'd want to<br>
> build your own gui for custom control.<br>
<br>
Yeah, basically that was all I wanted to say as well. ;)<br>
<br>
> i do think you guys have got a really really strong system there with<br>
> rjlib. but i was just saying that without the gui stuff, it doesn't exactly<br>
> fit into being that 'all purpose building blocks' library that we are<br>
> discussing.<br>
<br>
Yes, that's true. rjlib has its focus on audio and control abstractions to be<br>
used on mobile devices with vanilla Pd. Some of this fits into a "all purpose"<br>
library, but a lot of it doesn't.<br>
<br>
Ciao<br>
--<br>
Frank<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:41:32 +0100<br>
From: Derek Holzer <<a href="mailto:derek@umatic.nl">derek@umatic.nl</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin<br>
Cc: PD List <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
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My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible.<br>
Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have<br>
already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to<br>
write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of<br>
people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody<br>
ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I<br>
could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but<br>
these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at .<br>
<br>
D.<br>
<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:49:46 -0700<br>
From: Jaime Oliver <<a href="mailto:jaime.oliver2@gmail.com">jaime.oliver2@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?<br>
To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>><br>
Cc: danomatika <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>"<br>
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hi everyone i have been trying for hours to upload the pdf form, but<br>
it doesn't work for me, should I just try to send it by e-mail?<br>
<br>
J<br>
<br>
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:02 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>> wrote:<br>
> danomatika wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> paper submit page:<br>
>>> <a href="http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php" target="_blank">http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> paper upload page (once you have submitted it):<br>
>>> <a href="http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php" target="_blank">http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php</a><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ...<br>
>><br>
><br>
> you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations, workshops<br>
> and papers with the above two links.<br>
><br>
> fgmasdr<br>
> mfasdf.<br>
> IOhannes<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:54:12 +0100<br>
From: Georg Holzmann <<a href="mailto:grh@mur.at">grh@mur.at</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin<br>
To: Derek Holzer <<a href="mailto:derek@umatic.nl">derek@umatic.nl</a>><br>
Cc: PD List <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
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Derek Holzer schrieb:<br>
> My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible.<br>
> Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have<br>
> already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to<br>
> write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of<br>
> people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody<br>
> ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I<br>
> could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but<br>
> these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at .<br>
<br>
You are right.<br>
And if one really wants to speak/see each other, one can use ekiga,<br>
skype or whatever ...<br>
<br>
LG<br>
Georg<br>
<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:57:30 +0100<br>
From: Derek Holzer <<a href="mailto:derek@umatic.nl">derek@umatic.nl</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives<br>
To: Alex Lucas <<a href="mailto:alex3lucas@googlemail.com">alex3lucas@googlemail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
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Hi Alex,<br>
<br>
I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://puredata.info/community/lists" target="_blank">http://puredata.info/community/lists</a><br>
<br>
Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you.<br>
<br>
best!<br>
Derek<br>
<br>
Alex Lucas wrote:<br>
> Hello everyone,<br>
><br>
> Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist<br>
> Archives by following the link on this page<br>
> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a>. Has anyone else had the<br>
> same problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link?<br>
<br>
<br>
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<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista</a> :::<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:16:49 +0000<br>
From: Alex Lucas <<a href="mailto:alex3lucas@googlemail.com">alex3lucas@googlemail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives<br>
To: Derek Holzer <<a href="mailto:derek@umatic.nl">derek@umatic.nl</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
Message-ID:<br>
<<a href="mailto:6b61086c0903160216m79ba0ecch27b317a42038faf7@mail.gmail.com">6b61086c0903160216m79ba0ecch27b317a42038faf7@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hi Derek,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your help, I really like markmail!<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
2009/3/16 Derek Holzer <<a href="mailto:derek@umatic.nl">derek@umatic.nl</a>><br>
<br>
> Hi Alex,<br>
><br>
> I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://puredata.info/community/lists" target="_blank">http://puredata.info/community/lists</a><br>
><br>
> Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you.<br>
><br>
> best!<br>
> Derek<br>
><br>
><br>
> Alex Lucas wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hello everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist<br>
>> Archives by following the link on this page<br>
>> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a>. Has anyone else had the same<br>
>> problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link?<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> ::: derek holzer ::: <a href="http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista" target="_blank">http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista</a> :::<br>
> <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista</a> :::<br>
> ---Oblique Strategy # 173:<br>
> "Voice your suspicions"<br>
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