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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "pd-list-request@iem.at" <pd-list-request@iem.at><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> pd-list@iem.at<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 13:17:39<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Pd-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 19<BR></FONT><BR>Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to<BR> <A href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target=_blank>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR> <A href="mailto:pd-list-request@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:pd-list-request@iem.at">pd-list-request@iem.at</A><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list
at<BR> <A href="mailto:pd-list-owner@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:pd-list-owner@iem.at">pd-list-owner@iem.at</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: Sysex out problems (linux only) (Alex)<BR> 2. Re: Sysex out problems (linux only) (Andr?s Mur?nyi)<BR> 3. Re: Sysex out problems (linux only) (Alex)<BR> 4. Re: Sysex out problems (linux only) (Andr?s Mur?nyi)<BR> 5. Re: Sysex out problems (linux only) (Martin Peach)<BR> 6. Re: workshop in Boston August 1st (<A href="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com">ydegoyon@gmail.com</A>)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:08:13 -0700<BR>From: Alex <<A href="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com">x37v.alex@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [PD] Sysex out problems (linux only)<BR>To: Andr?s Mur?nyi <<A href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com">muranyia@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="mailto:c5e6c7e30907071708t2737b929gcad15b983ca0b377@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:c5e6c7e30907071708t2737b929gcad15b983ca0b377@mail.gmail.com">c5e6c7e30907071708t2737b929gcad15b983ca0b377@mail.gmail..com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>I haven't actually tested sysex out limits, but sysex in is limited to<BR>something like 24 byte messages..<BR><BR>here is a thread where i talk about it:<BR><A href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067372.html"
target=_blank>http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067372.html</A><BR><BR>It is hard coded into the source. You can modify the source to change<BR>the hard coded limit.. i have a diff on that thread which shows how i<BR>did it.<BR><BR>It would be nice if this limit was either totally removed or<BR>dynamically growable.. as it would be really nice to be able to write<BR>real sysex editors in PD.<BR><BR>I have been creating my own physical devices with sysex and I use pd<BR>to edit the sysex data but i have to make my sysex packets short<BR>because of PD's limitations.<BR><BR>-Alex<BR><BR>2009/7/7 Andr?s Mur?nyi <<A href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com">muranyia@gmail.com</A>>:<BR>> Dear Sirs,<BR>><BR>> I just have never been successful with sysex in Pd and I'm asking for your<BR>> kind advice.<BR>> Attached is an example for a long sysex message which goes out on [midiout]<BR>> (linux
only, afaik).<BR>> The problems I have:<BR>> - sysex gets fragmented (also when nothing is sent out meanwhile by other<BR>> objects). It is always properly terminated with '247' but the content is<BR>> often truncated. Is this a bug/feature...? What is your best recommendation<BR>> knowing that my patch is full of sysex outs (+envelopes on some of them!)<BR>> - sysex just magically does not work on the target machine ;o) I have no<BR>> clue why except for this thing with being truncated but it *never* works<BR>> even if the message seems to go out intact. Even more interesting that the<BR>> machine shows me that it is recieving sysex! Tried with the mpu-401 of an<BR>> Audigy and with a MOTU 828 mkII through Jack and a2jmidid (jack-alsa midi<BR>> bridge). Sysex is<BR>><BR>> Thanks a Lot!<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Muranyi Andras<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> <A
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charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>2009/7/8 Alex <<A href="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com">x37v.alex@gmail.com</A>><BR><BR>> > - sysex gets fragmented (also when nothing is sent out meanwhile by other<BR>> > objects). It is always properly terminated with '247' but the content is<BR>> > often truncated. Is this a bug/feature...? What is your best<BR>> recommendation<BR>> > knowing that my patch is full of sysex outs (+envelopes on some of them!)<BR>> > - sysex just magically does not work on the target machine ;o) I have no<BR>> > clue why except for this thing with being truncated but it *never* works<BR>> > even if the message seems to go out intact. Even more interesting that<BR>> the<BR>> > machine shows me that it is recieving sysex! Tried with the mpu-401 of an<BR>> > Audigy and with a MOTU 828 mkII through Jack and a2jmidid (jack-alsa midi<BR>> >
bridge).<BR>><BR><BR>><BR>I haven't actually tested sysex out limits, but sysex in is limited to<BR>> something like 24 byte messages..<BR>><BR>> here is a thread where i talk about it:<BR>> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067372.html" target=_blank>http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067372.html</A><BR>><BR>> It is hard coded into the source. You can modify the source to change<BR>> the hard coded limit.. i have a diff on that thread which shows how i<BR>> did it.<BR>><BR><BR>Thanks Alex, it's an important thing to know.<BR>My sysex is shorter than 24B it's just broken.<BR>What we shall see repeating is 240 67 16 73 8 16 19 (knobvalue) 247<BR><BR>Instead I'm having this grinded mess coming back on physical loopback:<BR><BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print:
247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 73<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 73<BR>print: 8<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 73<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 73<BR>print: 8<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 73<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 73<BR>print: 247<BR>print: 240<BR>print: 67<BR>print: 16<BR>print: 73<BR>print: 247<BR><BR>This makes me think I'm trying to send too much data in too short<BR>intervals...? Is there a handy way to limit the density of my output? (i<BR>think its not not [drip] as it has to stay realtime)<BR>I'm not very experienced, sorry if this traces back to something very<BR>obvious!<BR><BR>--
<BR>Muranyi Andras<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <<A href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20090708/b5e63f36/attachment-0001.htm" target=_blank>http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20090708/b5e63f36/attachment-0001.htm</A>><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:32:04 -0700<BR>From: Alex <<A href="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail..com">x37v.alex@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [PD] Sysex out problems (linux only)<BR>To: Andr?s Mur?nyi <<A href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com">muranyia@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="mailto:c5e6c7e30907071732h57728befp5e6088c87e89f0e5@mail.gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:c5e6c7e30907071732h57728befp5e6088c87e89f0e5@mail.gmail.com">c5e6c7e30907071732h57728befp5e6088c87e89f0e5@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>It looks like you may experiencing another thing that i've complained<BR>about... pd's alsa midi connects to all MIDI inputs and outputs that<BR>it can.. this includes alsa's MIDI through.. so everything that you<BR>send out gets echoed back into the input.. SUPER annoying.<BR><BR>run aconnect [or easier, though not great, aconnectgui] and see if<BR>that is the case for you.. disconnect pd from the alsa through port.<BR><BR>-Alex<BR><BR>2009/7/7 Andr?s Mur?nyi <<A href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com">muranyia@gmail.com</A>>:<BR>><BR>> 2009/7/8 Alex <<A href="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com">x37v.alex@gmail.com</A>><BR>>><BR>>> > - sysex gets fragmented (also
when nothing is sent out meanwhile by<BR>>> > other<BR>>> > objects). It is always properly terminated with '247' but the content is<BR>>> > often truncated. Is this a bug/feature...? What is your best<BR>>> > recommendation<BR>>> > knowing that my patch is full of sysex outs (+envelopes on some of<BR>>> > them!)<BR>>> > - sysex just magically does not work on the target machine ;o) I have no<BR>>> > clue why except for this thing with being truncated but it *never* works<BR>>> > even if the message seems to go out intact. Even more interesting that<BR>>> > the<BR>>> > machine shows me that it is recieving sysex! Tried with the mpu-401 of<BR>>> > an<BR>>> > Audigy and with a MOTU 828 mkII through Jack and a2jmidid (jack-alsa<BR>>> > midi<BR>>> > bridge).<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> I haven't actually
tested sysex out limits, but sysex in is limited to<BR>>> something like 24 byte messages..<BR>>><BR>>> here is a thread where i talk about it:<BR>>> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067372.html" target=_blank>http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-01/067372.html</A><BR>>><BR>>> It is hard coded into the source. You can modify the source to change<BR>>> the hard coded limit.. i have a diff on that thread which shows how i<BR>>> did it.<BR>><BR>> Thanks Alex, it's an important thing to know.<BR>> My sysex is shorter than 24B it's just broken.<BR>> What we shall see repeating is 240 67 16 73 8 16 19 (knobvalue) 247<BR>><BR>> Instead I'm having this grinded mess coming back on physical loopback:<BR>><BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print:
240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 73<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 73<BR>> print: 8<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 73<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 73<BR>> print: 8<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 73<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 73<BR>> print: 247<BR>> print: 240<BR>> print: 67<BR>> print: 16<BR>> print: 73<BR>> print:
247<BR>><BR>> This makes me think I'm trying to send too much data in too short<BR>> intervals...? Is there a handy way to limit the density of my output? (i<BR>> think its not not [drip] as it has to stay realtime)<BR>> I'm not very experienced, sorry if this traces back to something very<BR>> obvious!<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Muranyi Andras<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> <A href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</A> mailing list<BR>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><BR>> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target=_blank>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:59:34 +0200<BR>From: Andr?s Mur?nyi <<A href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com">muranyia@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [PD] Sysex out problems (linux only)<BR>To: <A href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A href="mailto:23cdbfeb0907071759k448d0362uc104e9973c1d48ca@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:23cdbfeb0907071759k448d0362uc104e9973c1d48ca@mail.gmail.com">23cdbfeb0907071759k448d0362uc104e9973c1d48ca@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>2009/7/8 Alex <<A href="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:x37v.alex@gmail.com">x37v.alex@gmail.com</A>><BR><BR>> It looks like you may experiencing another thing that i've complained<BR>> about... pd's alsa midi connects to all MIDI inputs and outputs that<BR>> it can.. this includes alsa's MIDI through.. so everything that you<BR>> send out gets echoed back into the input.. SUPER annoying.<BR>><BR>> run aconnect [or easier, though not great, aconnectgui] and see if<BR>>
that is the case for you.. disconnect pd from the alsa through port.<BR>><BR><BR>I've checked and it's ok. Right now have the output looped back with a cable<BR>but it only comes back once.<BR><BR><BR>> > This makes me think I'm trying to send too much data in too short<BR>> > intervals...? Is there a handy way to limit the density of my output? (i<BR>> > think its not not [drip] as it has to stay realtime)<BR>><BR><BR>What about dropping some data before making up / sending out the sysex? My<BR>best guess was storing into [float] and firing it with [metro] or [pulse] at<BR>a constant, decent rate.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Muranyi Andras<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <<A href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20090708/2ef7e441/attachment-0001.htm"
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never been successful with sysex in Pd and I'm asking for <BR>> your kind advice.<BR>> Attached is an example for a long sysex message which goes out on <BR>> [midiout] (linux only, afaik).<BR>> The problems I have:<BR>> - sysex gets fragmented (also when nothing is sent out meanwhile by <BR>> other objects). It is always properly terminated with '247' but the <BR>> content is often truncated. Is this a bug/feature...? What is your best <BR>> recommendation knowing that my patch is full of sysex outs (+envelopes <BR>> on some of them!)<BR><BR>in the patch you posted, the message you send to [midiout] is <BR>[240,67,16,73,8,$2,19,$1,247(<BR>, which Pd takes as 9 separate messages because of the comma in between <BR>each item.<BR>Probably [240 67 16 73 8 $2 19 $1 247( would work better.<BR><BR>Martin<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:18:10 +0200<BR>From: "<A
href="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com">ydegoyon@gmail.com</A>" <<A href="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com">ydegoyon@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [PD] workshop in Boston August 1st<BR>To: chris clepper <<A href="mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:cgclepper@gmail.com">cgclepper@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: PD list <<A href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4A541E02.5020608@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:4A541E02.5020608@gmail.com">4A541E02.5020608@gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>perfect you don't answer,<BR><BR>40 dollars and forbidden to use linux?<BR>no thank you, man<BR><BR><A href="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com">ydegoyon@gmail.com</A> wrote:<BR>> Laptops running Linux cannot be used. !!<BR>><BR>>
i'd like to know why?<BR>> something missing on linux?<BR>><BR>> chris clepper wrote:<BR>>> I am doing a basic Pd workshop in the Boston area on August 1st at <BR>>> Axiom Gallery. I will be covering simple patching, audio and GEM. <BR>>> The optional first hour will be dedicated to setting up the <BR>>> participant's laptops with Pd and getting audio and MIDI working. <BR>>> Space is limited to 12 and you must register online.<BR>>><BR>>> Details on this page:<BR>>> <A href="http://www.axiomart.org/events.php" target=_blank>http://www.axiomart.org/events.php</A><BR>>><BR>>> I hope to do a more advanced video/GEM workshop in the coming months <BR>>> as well.<BR>>><BR>>> Chris<BR>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> <A
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