<br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/28 Jonathan Wilkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><div class="h5">> Number2 exists because it comes from an external library<br>
> that was merged into vanilla back then.<br>
><br>
> Number1 still exists because Number2 isn't<br>
> backwards-compatible with Number1 and so can't actually<br>
> replace it. Number2 couldn't be made<br>
> backwards-compatible anymore because it was already used by<br>
> those who started pd with -lib iemgui.<br>
><br>
> Actually, a special constructor could have been made for<br>
> that case, similar to how [hradio] and [vradio] also exist<br>
> as [hdl] and [vdl], but there's also a big mismatch of<br>
> options between Number1 and Number2, such that it isn't<br>
> really easy to merge Number1 and Number2 without making a<br>
> more complicated whole with even more options.<br>
><br>
> Thanks a lot for the explanation!<br>
> At the end, do we need them both in the Put menu...?<br>
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</div></div>All the native gui objects available in Pd Vanilla are listed in the Put<br>
menu, so it would seem odd to remove just one of them. Plus, you can't<br>
create a number atom by typing a name into an object box. It's only<br>
created through the Put menu, or by its shortcut <ctrl-3> (well, dynamic<br>
patching too). Removing it from the Put menu makes it an obscure object.<br>
<br>
You could advocate moving Number2 up in the list and giving it the<br>
<ctrl-3> shortcut, but it currently has some annoying features like:<br>
* the number turns red when you scroll<br>
* its too wide (almost twice as wide as number atom at width = 5)<br>
* label size will change the size of the number<br>
* its hard to put the output range back to default once you've changed it<br>
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Given those drawbacks, I prefer just using "Number" instead of "Number2."</blockquote><div><br>Oooo-kay! From the perspective of a translator, this is kind of embarassing, from the perspective of the systematic mind ("the Programmer"!) still a little bit embarassing, but from a personal point a view, just makes me love her more!! ;o)<br clear="all">
</div></div>Thanks for the details. Would be nice to wikify this kind of wisdom - maybe our grandsons will do that? ;o)<br><br>-- <br>Muranyi Andras<br>