<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Sep 13, 2009, at 1:09 PM, András Murányi wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style=""><br><div><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite">It looks so nice on the Mac...! ;o)<br><br>It's a pity it looks way less 21th Century here on Hardy... fyi I have attached the screenshot.<br></blockquote> <div><br></div></div><div>Make you are are running Tcl/Tk 8.5 and it'll look much better. Install tcl8.5 and tk8.5, then run:</div><div>"update-alternatives --config wish" and choose wish8.5. Then Pd will use the much improved Wish 8.5.</div> </div></div></blockquote><div><br>Thanks! Now fonts are anti-aliased. Plus the startup plugins started to work, which means that at least some of them don't work with tcl/tk<=8.4.<br></div><div>I have attached a screenshot for your viewing pleasure.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite">I have also mocked up a version with my ideas (which are based on my rather limited knowledge of Pd). Please take a look at it.<br> </blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Did you mock it up in Tcl?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class="im"><br>Nay. Xara Xtreme ;o) <br><blockquote type="cite"> - Afaik the IN/OUT meters are for the DSP so I would group them with the DSP switch.<br> </blockquote></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><div>Makes sense.</div><div class="im"><br><blockquote type="cite"> - I would omit the IN/OUT meter switch. Can we? Or is this a CPU-hog?<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I think its useful just to be able to have less distractions.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Useful to have it? So that the meter doesn't distract you?<br> Or useful to omit? So the switch doesn't distract you?<br>;o)<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div> <div class="im"><br><blockquote type="cite">- I would suggest having some kind of MIDI IN/OUT LEDs... which could also serve as switches in case you want to suspend MIDI reception or transmission. In my graphics they are just simple switches but I'm not sure it is possible to 'blink' those switches. If not, then we could have separate switches and LEDs.<br> </blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>That also sounds useful for those who use MIDI. 'pd' is not currently sending 'pd-gui' that info tho.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I'm one of the guys who don't use DSP, my output is nuttin-but-MIDI. (Now that I think there may be guys whos output is mainly to the network...)<br> </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite"> - A LOAD meter. Is this a CPU hog? If not, can we have it on the Pd window? (It is quite hidden under the Media menu, imho also because Media is a quite fuzzy name.)<br> </blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>That's a nice idea. It would require writing the Tcl code to get the load from the OS, but that's probably easy.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Once we clean up the Media menu, we may be able to find a better name for it. Just my 2 cents. <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite">- Console hide, clear. Let's try to have it somewhere right above the console!<br> </blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>A clear button is ok, it is on the File menu. As for hide, I think its easier to just have window resizing work well. With the pdwindow in pd-gui-rewrite, you can manually resize it down to just the metters/buttons.<br> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>At the current version, i have 'Clear console' in the Edit menu but Hide console is gone. I think it could be kept however (regardless of what is the actual routine that it runs), and I even think it's not bad to provide it on the GUI and in the menu as well. Anyway, it's certainly good to have a control as close to the controlled item as possible, whenever possible.<br> <br>BTW, I have a dream which is that the console is tabbed, and the default tab displays system messages, while for each [print PREFIX] a new tab is opened. That way messages get separated by PREFIX. It's just a silly dream, forget it ;op<br> </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Tabs in the Pd window would be very nice indeed. Someone just needs to code it. :-D</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><div></div><div>.hc</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>Thanks for your time!<br> <br>Andras<br> <span><newPdUi-wish8.5.png></span></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... 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