Yo all,<div><br></div><div>I don't know if any of you have seen Field?</div><div><br></div><div>It's an /extremely/ cool environment/sequencing canvas that I think would be hugely useful to use with Pd. I'll let them explain it:</div>
<div><a href="http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/OverviewBanners2">http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/OverviewBanners2</a></div><div><br></div><div>They very recently created a "MaxPlugin" which quite impressively integrates Max with Field.</div>
<div><a href="http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/MaxPlugin">http://openendedgroup.com/field/wiki/MaxPlugin</a></div><div><br></div><div>I thought it would be nice to get them on the path to doing the same with Pd - see the conversation below. Anyone have any ideas on the matter?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Luv Luke<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Forwarded conversation</span><br>Subject: <b class="gmail_sendername">Pure Data assimilation</b><br>------------------------<br>
<br><span class="undefined"><font color="#888">From: <b class="undefined">Luke</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lukexipd@gmail.com">lukexipd@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:45 PM<br>To: Field-development <<a href="mailto:field-development@googlegroups.com">field-development@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
</font><br></span><br>Yo guys,<br>
I saw your MaxPlugin, which looks incredible. I just wanted to<br>
suggest also taking a look at the open source older brother of Max,<br>
Pure Data (the continuation of Max/MSP by Miller S Puckette, the<br>
original developer)<br>
<br>
<a href="http://puredata.info/" target="_blank">http://puredata.info/</a><br>
<a href="http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html" target="_blank">http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html</a><br>
(IRC) <a href="http://wiki.dataflow.ws/DataFlow" target="_blank">http://wiki.dataflow.ws/DataFlow</a><br>
<br>
Pd has a nascent concept called "Data Structures" that allow creation<br>
of graphical scores directly representing their underlying data it<br>
seems to me Field is that from 100 years in the future, so it would be<br>
a very natural marriage.<br>
<br>
I'd love to help with this where I can.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<font color="#888888">Luke</font><br>----------<br><span class="undefined"><font color="#888">From: <b class="undefined">Marc Downie</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc@openendedgroup.com">marc@openendedgroup.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:field-development@googlegroups.com">field-development@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>That's a very good idea the truth is Max/MSP's proprietary-ness (and it's difficult copy protection) is <i>not good</i>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What's the Java embedding story in Pd like? We are using mxj to poke a hole in Max that Field enters through.</div><div><br></div><div>Marc.</div></div><br>
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<br>----------<br><span class="undefined"><font color="#888">From: <b class="undefined">Al Matthews</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:prolepsis@gmail.com">prolepsis@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:58 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:field-development@googlegroups.com">field-development@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br><div>Cool I was wondering about that. On behalf of maybe others like me only laxly tracking source at the moment, I'll add this request for a bit of technical spec, about the MAX plugin as it presently stands.</div>
<div><br></div><div>More generally, is Field's timeline available or conceived here as a sort of scheduling supplement for MAX events? Scheduling seems historically a kind of weakness of MAX for composition, until you add java or whatnot.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also a bump for the PD.<br></div>Al Matthews, Programmer Support Specialist<br><br>Archives and Special Collections, <br>Robert W. Woodruff Library,<br>Atlanta University Center<br><br><a href="mailto:amatthews@auctr.edu" target="_blank">amatthews@auctr.edu</a><br>
<a href="mailto:prolepsis@gmail.com" target="_blank">prolepsis@gmail.com</a><br><br>1 404 978 2057, direct<br>1 337 214 4688, gvoice<div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span class="undefined"><font color="#888">From: <b class="undefined">Marc Downie</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc@openendedgroup.com">marc@openendedgroup.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 1:16 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:field-development@googlegroups.com">field-development@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>As always, more doc's are on the todo-list.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But the trick is essentially this. mxj which is a standard box in Max lets you instantiate java objects. We provide two one that does the bookkeeping and network communication (MaxFieldRoot) and another that wraps up a Jython environment (MaxField).</div>
<div><br></div><div>The source for both of these is inside /extras/maxfieldMXJ there isn't much to them.</div><div><br></div><div>MaxFieldRoot knows the names (that is what max calls the "scripting names") of all MaxField objects in a patch (and subpatches) and it opens two OSC ports for communication with Field. </div>
<div><br></div><div>MaxField objects when loaded get Jython up and running and execute a startup script that provides some functionality (like the magic function that makes autocomplete work) this script is maxfield/__init__.py</div>
<div><br></div><div>Field's side of the bargain is to capture attempts to execute things inside boxes that are marked as "bridged to max" and, rather than executing them, sends them via OSC to Root which then dispatches them to the appropriate MaxField box which then executes the Python code. So sticking a bunch of Field boxes in a timeline and scrubbing them "scrubs" the sending and execution of code in Max. You could probably build less latency-prone and more accurate timing as well using this (you'd send all the box positions over to Max and use it's timing stuff). But this works well for our uses right now.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This code is field.extras.max.MaxExecution. You'll find it's a lot like the ProcessingPlugin which defers execution of python code not to a separate process but just later in time until we are "inside" the draw() method of the Processing Applet.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So, basically, we need to be able to run just a little bit of Java (and in turn all of Jython) inside Pd to bootstrap the whole thing.</div><div><br></div><div>Any Pd Java experts out there?</div><div>
<br></div><font color="#888888"><div>Marc.</div></font><div><div></div></div></div><div><div></div></div><br></div><br></div>