Done, I the file named binfile.pd_darwin in the PD app package in the directory path you provided. Should I name the file something else? I'm on an Intel Mac. Still no audio though I can see in the log window that messages are being sent when I use your binDATApayer program.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.dubdub@googlemail.com">alan.dubdub@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Im on a mac so everything is hidden inside the app package, which is a folder really.<br> I go to application> right click/ ctrl click on the file and select "show content" then put the binary in contents/resources/extra<br>
<br>If you on linux it should be work the same (being Unix and all) but not sure about windows i am afraid<br><br>Does anyone have any suggestions to get binfile.pd working on windows / linux??<br><br><br><br><br>marius.<br>
<br>On 13 Oct 2009 02:21, Jerome Covington <<a href="mailto:info@thespacebetweenthewords.org" target="_blank">info@thespacebetweenthewords.org</a>> wrote:<br>> I can't seem to find this directory.<br>> <br>
> ~/pd/contents/resources/extra<br>> <br>> <br>> Should I create that directory structure myself? And if so where does it go?<br>> <br>> <br>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, alan brooker <a href="mailto:alan.dubdub@googlemail.com" target="_blank">alan.dubdub@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>> darn! I think it may have something to do with the binfile.pd which is<br>> <br>> an external from Mr.Peaches-for some reason the binary doesn't get<br>> <br>> found by PD- I attach a copy for OSX- if you add it to<br>
> <br>> ~/pd/contents/resources/extra (don't put in in the the mrpeach folder<br>> <br>> because cant find it). I m not too sure where binaries are for other<br>> <br>> os<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>
> Basically If the binfile gets working it is a good way to make sound<br>> <br>> based on computer data, as opposed to just playing the raw file of a<br>> <br>> jpeg -thank for looking :)<br>> <br>> <br>
> <br>> <br>> On 10/12/09, Jerome Covington <a href="mailto:info@thespacebetweenthewords.org" target="_blank">info@thespacebetweenthewords.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Hey, I can get the visualization to work, but not the "audioization".<br>
> <br>> ><br>> <br>> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM, The Space Between the Words <br>> > <a href="mailto:info@thespacebetweenthewords.org" target="_blank">info@thespacebetweenthewords.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>> ><br>> <br>> >> Thanks, Alan!<br>> <br>> >><br>> <br>> >> I will take a look at your binary conversion patch first chance I get.<br>> <br>> >><br>> <br>> >> Regards,<br>
> <br>> >> Jerome<br>> <br>> >><br>> <br>> >><br>> <br>> >> On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:40 PM, alan brooker <a href="mailto:alan.dubdub@googlemail.com" target="_blank">alan.dubdub@googlemail.com</a>><br>
> <br>> >> wrote:<br>> <br>> >><br>> <br>> >> it's better if you can recognise the stock price in the music,<br>> <br>> >>> because if you can't, you could have taken that data from anywhere<br>
> <br>> >>> else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket<br>> <br>> >>> music then?...<br>> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>> I agree fully- the point in which the output is true to it's source<br>
> <br>> >>> and making something sound good is tricky and down to skill-<br>> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>> I worked on a simple patch that created audio from binary data from<br>> <br>
> >>> loaded files and I am trying to make good sounds from the patch in<br>> <br>> >>> different ways continually- half the fun though!(a work in progress!<br>> <br>> >>> contains osx app and pd patch for other os- uses Mr.Peaches binfile):<br>
> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>> <a href="http://databodega.googlecode.com/files/bin_data_application.macosx%20.zip" target="_blank">http://databodega.googlecode.com/files/bin_data_application.macosx%20.zip</a><br>
> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>> On 10/11/09, Jerome Covington <a href="mailto:info@thespacebetweenthewords.org" target="_blank">info@thespacebetweenthewords.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>> >>><br>> <br>> >>>> Excellent, Mathieu.<br>> <br>> >>>> I have a lifetime of experience in music to inform the aesthetics well.<br>> <br>> >>>><br>
> <br>> >>>> Now I just need more on the "how", and to that extent I am very<br>> <br>> >>>> interested<br>> <br>> >>>> in process within this community.<br>
> <br>> >>>><br>> <br>> >>>> --<br>> <br>> >>>> Regards,<br>> <br>> >>>> Jerome Covington<br>> <br>> >>>> . . . . : . . . . :<br>
> <br>> >>>> "define audio development"<br>> <br>> >>>><br>> <br>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mathieu Bouchard <a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca" target="_blank">matju@artengine.ca</a><br>
> <br>> >>>> >wrote:<br>> <br>> >>>><br>> <br>> >>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Jerome Covington wrote:<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning real-time,<br>
> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>>> non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of one possible<br>> <br>> >>>>>> direction, here.<br>> <br>> >>>>>><br>
> <br>> >>>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> Coïncidentally, I wrote some thoughts about it in the Pd chatroom a few<br>> <br>> >>>>> hours before your email, because of a similar topic there:<br>
> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> «<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> musical meaningfulness comes from meaningfulness of the data<br>> <br>
> >>>>> beforehand...<br>> <br>> >>>>> basically, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> the exception to that is that a programme is a kind of data in itself,<br>
> <br>> >>>>> so<br>> <br>> >>>>> the programme can be considered a kind of meaningful input... and if<br>> <br>> >>>>> the<br>> <br>> >>>>> programme imposes itself as the source of the meaning and successfully<br>
> <br>> >>>>> downplays the incoming garbage, it can make the output meaningful;<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> but unless one is very skilled at understanding the information theory<br>
> <br>> >>>>> standpoint of music, using random values gives you just more<br>> <br>> >>>>> meaningless<br>> <br>> >>>>> music like what you are talking about... sort of like picking a random<br>
> <br>> >>>>> book<br>> <br>> >>>>> from the library of babel.<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> »<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>
> <br>> >>>>> <a href="http://vimeo.com/5415629" target="_blank">http://vimeo.com/5415629</a><br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>>><br>
> <br>> >>>>> now this is what I add to my above thoughts, this time in relationship<br>> <br>> >>>>> to<br>> <br>> >>>>> the video: without necessarily explicitly thinking about information<br>
> <br>> >>>>> theory,<br>> <br>> >>>>> one can get to interesting results intuitively... one essentially has<br>> <br>> >>>>> to<br>> <br>> >>>>> focus on getting beautiful results for likely inputs instead of being<br>
> <br>> >>>>> content with whatever fits with the description of a certain art<br>> <br>> >>>>> concept.<br>> <br>> >>>>> Any former stock-market music I had listened to sounded like crap. What<br>
> <br>> >>>>> Patrick did was to make his programme insert so much beauty and<br>> <br>> >>>>> coherence<br>> <br>> >>>>> in<br>> <br>> >>>>> the market's noise, that it made it sound meaningful... actually, it's<br>
> <br>> >>>>> more<br>> <br>> >>>>> like this: the programme can only output music that sounds reasonably<br>> <br>> >>>>> good<br>> <br>> >>>>> no matter the input, and the meaningless input selects one of the<br>
> <br>> >>>>> possible<br>> <br>> >>>>> nice-sounding outputs. Overall, the music is more shaped by Patrick's<br>> <br>> >>>>> æsthetic decisions than by the stock market, and it's perfect like<br>
> <br>> >>>>> that.<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> so, Jérôme, I would mostly just suggest that you make patches so that<br>> <br>> >>>>> the<br>
> <br>> >>>>> results sound fairly good no matter the input you give them, and<br>> <br>> >>>>> optionally,<br>> <br>> >>>>> if you can make the input also recognisable in the output, it's a bonus<br>
> <br>> >>>>> feature that can feel very rewarding, but it depends on the context...<br>> <br>> >>>>> for<br>> <br>> >>>>> feeding stockmarket data it may not matter as much, but for live<br>
> <br>> >>>>> interactive<br>> <br>> >>>>> data from performers or visitors, they have to recognise their own<br>> <br>> >>>>> impact<br>> <br>> >>>>> on<br>
> <br>> >>>>> the music, else the point is going to be lost on them, really. but even<br>> <br>> >>>>> for<br>> <br>> >>>>> stockmarket data, it's better if you can recognise the stock price in<br>
> <br>> >>>>> the<br>> <br>> >>>>> music, because if you can't, you could have taken that data from<br>> <br>> >>>>> anywhere<br>> <br>> >>>>> else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket music<br>
> <br>> >>>>> then?...<br>> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> so maybe you wanted people to explain their actual processes, but I<br>> <br>> >>>>> hope<br>
> <br>> >>>>> that you will also enjoy this reflexion on the question of what might<br>> <br>> >>>>> make<br>> <br>> >>>>> processes be good or not.<br>> <br>
> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>>> _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ...<br>> <br>> >>>>> | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801<br>
> <br>> >>>>><br>> <br>> >>>><br>> <br>> >>>><br>> <br>> ><br>> <br>> ><br>> <br>> > --<br>> <br>> > Regards,<br>> <br>> > Jerome Covington<br>
> <br>> > . . . . : . . . . :<br>> <br>> > "define audio development"<br>> <br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Regards,<br>> Jerome Covington<br>
> . . . . : . . . . :<br>> "define audio development"<br>> <br>> <br>></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Regards,<br>Jerome Covington<br> . . . . : . . . . :<br>
"define audio development"<br>