<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Joćo Pais <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmmmpais@googlemail.com">jmmmpais@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I think you can all forget pd4live. after all, it's a commercial company. When I asked Gerhard about it (a bit as a joke because I knew the answer), he replied something like BLAHGRGAHGAGGGRRG!<br>
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which doesn't mean that a not-so-deep-but-similar integration can be made, using osc, jack, or whatever you can do (never worked with Live). or between pd and another program, and still get the same result. or program the live part in pd, and you'll have pd4pd.<div>
<div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Yea, tried that, there went about 2 years using a buggy, ugly, awkward sequencer for doing standard rhythmic stuff, instead of just using a tried-and-true piece of software. I constantly had to stop thinking about music in order to fix my pd sequencer, or add some common feature. Live is really put together well, so many things that you take for granted until you actually try to implement something similar yourself. I'm not saying it does everything or even close, but it does the simple stuff really well and saves the end-user/programmer from having to worry about it. <br>
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To Michal:<br>
i see your point on the "openness", and thanks for that link. i doubt<br>
Ableton will release it's source code, at least until they figure out how to<br>
"open Live", as Gerhard mentioned, and still have enough income for 100<br>
employees. It'll be a good day when Live users will be able to customize<br>
it's GUI as necessary. As far as Pluggo goes, it has been discontinued but<br>
reappears in Max4Live :o, .<br>
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To Hans:<br>
Jack is definitely a great tool but, like i said, i don't know how it<br>
handles midi, or how about OSC? i have to read more on the subject before i<br>
can have an actual opinion.<br>
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To justin:<br>
Can ardour be customized as a performance tool (which is abletons key<br>
feature IMO)<br>
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Thanks for your input, fellas.<br>
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Jeff<br>
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