<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>There are other objects that do that, but its best to not hve it that way, IMHO. IOhannes suggested fixing this on the internal side, but I think its OK to handle it in the external itself. If you make a patch, submit it to the patch tracker.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Howdy all,<div><br></div><div>I had a friend who had some trouble loading a couple of objects (beat and borax from maxlib). We thought maybe the lib wasn't being loaded, but it was. In the end, it seems the object will create but only with a certain number of args. After it's created once, creating the same object without any args works fine.</div><div><br></div><div>I assume this behavior is due to some sort of initialization that needs to be done within maxlib ... but I thinks it's quite confusing.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there any sort of spec libs need to be written to? If so, I think it should be mandatory that objects should always be able to be created with empty arguments.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, are there any other objects that do this or just some in maxlib?</div><div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>--------</div><div>Dan Wilcox</div><div><a href="http://danomatika.com">danomatika.com</a></div><div><a href="http://robotcowboy.com">robotcowboy.com</a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br style="font-family: Tahoma; "></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br style="font-family: Tahoma; "></div><div>There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span> </div><br></body></html>