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1. Re: Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these<br>
compare? (Jonathan Wilkes)<br>
2. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds<br>
(<a href="mailto:errordeveloper@gmail.com">errordeveloper@gmail.com</a>)<br>
3. Re: mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd (IOhannes m zmoelnig)<br>
4. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Lorenzo)<br>
5. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Andrew Faraday)<br>
6. Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?<br>
(saint)<br>
7. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Pedro Oliveira)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these<br>
compare?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:quietdidit@gmail.com">quietdidit@gmail.com</a>, Marco Donnarumma <<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com">devel@thesaddj.com</a>><br>
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--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Marco Donnarumma <<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com">devel@thesaddj.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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From: Marco Donnarumma <<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com">devel@thesaddj.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:quietdidit@gmail.com">quietdidit@gmail.com</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:16 AM<br>
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>As many other said before, I personally think there is nothing to >compare. All of them are quite separate environments, and i mean not only >computing capabilities, flexibility and GUI, but above all each community >supporting the projects.<br>
<br>
>"this" is not better than "that", it's only about what fit best your >needs.<br>
>So first point out which are exactly your needs. Learning Pd can be >difficult and exhausting in the beg, but once you get familiar with it, I >can assure you it's only pleasure. And there is a world of things you >can't do with any other software. But you have to find out what.<br>
<br>
Hi Marco,<br>
What do you think makes learning Pd difficult and exhausting in the<br>
beginning? Is it just a general learning curve, or are there speficic<br>
issues you think could be improved for the future?<br>
<br>
-Jonathan<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:38:37 +0000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:errordeveloper@gmail.com">errordeveloper@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds<br>
To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
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Hans, that's excellent!<br>
<br>
i was quite curious how kids could react to pd ..<br>
hm ..i'd love to do some pd tutorials one day, and yeah i was thinking<br>
about kids as well!<br>
<br>
the only thing is that i couldn't check the video -<br>
i still don't have sound working in flash with my soundcard setup ;(<br>
<br>
may be you have the video somewhere else?<br>
abby/cclive doesn't support <a href="http://blip.tv" target="_blank">blip.tv</a> and i tried <a href="http://videosnag.com" target="_blank">videosnag.com</a> ..but it<br>
didn't do anything ..<br>
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:56:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br>
><br>
> Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New York.<br>
> It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to experiment:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design" target="_blank">http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design</a><br>
><br>
> .hc<br>
><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more<br>
> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can<br>
> change entire economies. - Amy Smith<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:22:05 +0100<br>
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd<br>
To: Nicolas Montgermont <<a href="mailto:nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr">nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
Cc: pd-list <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
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On 2010-03-17 20:53, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:<br>
> I tried to compile it from the svn.<br>
> I manage to build the pd_linux (removing the -Werror flag) but the<br>
> object is still crashing pd when connecting to the server...<br>
> here is the log of the compilation, does anyone got an idea?<br>
> thanks in advance:<br>
<br>
could you try to produce a run it in a debugger (gdb), and broduce a<br>
backtrace, like:<br>
<br>
$ gdb pd -stderr mp3cast~-test.pd<br>
(gdb) run<br>
...<br>
(gdb) backtrace<br>
...<br>
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<br>
<br>
fgmasdr<br>
IOhannes<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:48:22 +0100<br>
From: Lorenzo <<a href="mailto:lsutton@libero.it">lsutton@libero.it</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds<br>
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> Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New<br>
> York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to<br>
> experiment:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design" target="_blank">http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> .hc<br>
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Nice job.<br>
Lorenzo<br>
PS: One mac per student: lucky kids :)<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:18:52 +0000<br>
From: Andrew Faraday <<a href="mailto:jbturgid@hotmail.com">jbturgid@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>>, <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at">pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at</a>><br>
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Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic, ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall?<br>
<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at">pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at</a><br>
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400<br>
> Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds<br>
><br>
><br>
> Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New<br>
> York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to<br>
> experiment:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design" target="_blank">http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design</a><br>
><br>
> .hc<br>
><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more<br>
> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice,<br>
> it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:02:03 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: saint <<a href="mailto:saintidle@yahoo.com">saintidle@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these<br>
compare?<br>
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I do think that a big snag in the learning curve for some people is the initial provision of only very basic building blocks.<br>
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You pretty much have to download Pd and then get Miller's book (what I did) or FLOSS Manual/Andy Farnell's etc. (God I really want Andy's book! Broke atm!) and then devote a good few hours into getting off the ground.<br>
<br>
What should really be implemented (I've seen some screenshots for the next release yes??) is the right-click style access to a menu organised into say, primitive objects, medium and high-level abstractions.<br>
<br>
Initial users, say the casual VST synth Mike or Michelle, just want to...<br>
1. Crack open a subractive synth. Play it. (High level).<br>
2. Then dismantle it, see how it works and maybe make their own modular noise spewers from pre-formed building blocks. (Medium level).<br>
3. Build their own building blocks to suit their own desire/dream/whim etc. (Low level)<br>
<br>
Which is what Reaktor has. (Does the newer bubbly Max have that too?). So I can see the original poster's point.<br>
<br>
<br>
Don't get me wrong, I love Pd (I'm here aren't I??!). But I also can't wait for it to evolve into a more user friendly and intuitive program (not at the expense of it's simplicity though!). There'll be more of us here then.<br>
<br>
Or do we want to be like the Fixed-gear Cyclists? All exclusive and haircutty??! "Well, I was using Pure Data waaaay before it could emit a speaker beep..."<br>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:30:17 +0100<br>
From: Pedro Oliveira <<a href="mailto:pedroliveira@gmail.com">pedroliveira@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds<br>
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This is amazing. I would love to do the same, and I mean: learning Puredata<br>
since I was a kid and/or having the opportunity to teach such young minds<br>
the power of Pd. Inspiring.<br>
<br>
Way to go!<br>
<br>
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Faraday <<a href="mailto:jbturgid@hotmail.com">jbturgid@hotmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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> Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic,<br>
> ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an<br>
> audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall?<br>
><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at">pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at</a><br>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400<br>
> > Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New<br>
> > York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to<br>
> > experiment:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design" target="_blank">http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design</a><br>
> ><br>
> > .hc<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> ><br>
> > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more<br>
> > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice,<br>
> > it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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