(Sorry, had a couple of days off)<br><br>I actually meant what Roman pointed out, but I wrote it in horrible english.<br>However, I do agree with you that both aspects are complementary.<br><br><br>M<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli <<a href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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> From: Roman Haefeli <<a href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?<br>
</div>> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Cc: "Marco Donnarumma" <<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com">devel@thesaddj.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>, "Matteo Sisti Sette" <<a href="mailto:matteosistisette@gmail.com">matteosistisette@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:mis@artengine.ca">mis@artengine.ca</a><br>
> Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 8:11 PM<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:02 -0700,<br>
> Jonathan Wilkes wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli <<a href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > From: Roman Haefeli <<a href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>><br>
> > > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue<br>
> Bidule... How do these compare?<br>
> > > To: "Marco Donnarumma" <<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com">devel@thesaddj.com</a>><br>
> > > Cc: "Jonathan Wilkes" <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>>,<br>
> <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>,<br>
> "Matteo Sisti Sette" <<a href="mailto:matteosistisette@gmail.com">matteosistisette@gmail.com</a>>,<br>
> <a href="mailto:mis@artengine.ca">mis@artengine.ca</a><br>
> > > Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:07 PM<br>
> > > On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:58 +0100,<br>
> > > Marco Donnarumma wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Talking about Pd It's fundamental to learn<br>
> how things<br>
> > > works, imho.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Pd is the fundament for learning how things work.<br>
> That was<br>
> > > my experience<br>
> > > (and still is).<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Roman<br>
> ><br>
> > What are you getting at? The two aren't mutually<br>
> exclusive.<br>
><br>
> I am actually thinking that the two are complementary.<br>
><br>
> Of course, it helps a lot to have a certain level of<br>
> knowledge in<br>
> dsp/math/whatsover before touching Pd. I just wanted to<br>
> point out, that<br>
> Pd very well supports the approach of acquiring theory<br>
> through practice.<br>
> Concepts such as, that every sound is composed of its<br>
> sinusoidal<br>
> partials (just one example of so many possible), sound very<br>
> abstract and<br>
> are hard to explain in words. But at the same time, they<br>
> are often quite<br>
> easy to illustrate with Pd (see 07.additive.pd from<br>
> 3.audio.examples).<br>
><br>
> Of course, it is fundamental to learn how things works, but<br>
> how do you<br>
> learn those things? My answer is: By using Pd. Similar to<br>
> how a two year<br>
> old child learns the basic laws of physics by letting<br>
> things fall down,<br>
> throw them away, put them on other things etc, Pd lets you<br>
> explore the<br>
> nature of sound. I often feel the need of telling potential<br>
> Pd users,<br>
> that it's not necessary to have read many books and be a<br>
> master in math<br>
> before doing Pd, but if they do read books, it helps a lot<br>
> to try things<br>
> out in Pd right away.<br>
<br>
</div></div>I see. I took Marco's statement to mean that talking about Pd is<br>
fundamental to learning how things work in Pd. It sounds like you're<br>
saying that you don't have to have a comprehensive knowledge of<br>
"how dsp works" before diving into Pd because using Pd is a way of<br>
aquiring that knowledge. I agree with both.<br>
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