<div class="gmail_quote"><div>hey pierre, what kind of patches do you use?</div><div><br></div><div>would you mind sharing? :)</div><div><br></div><div>cheers </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hello everyone!<br>
<br>
There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live<br>
context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that<br>
i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I<br>
have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and<br>
everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software<br>
and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is<br>
the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of<br>
hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll<br>
have the perfect gear (perfect for me).<br>
Just wanted to share this.<br>
<br>
Cheers!<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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From: Andr?s Mur?nyi <<a href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com">muranyia@gmail.com</a>><br>
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2010/4/17 Mathieu Bouchard <<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>><br>
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> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:<br>
><br>
> One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are<br>
>> provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of<br>
>> skinning, afaik.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Tcl/Tk up to 8.4 allow some amount of configuration... at least much more<br>
> than has ever been used by anyone in <a href="http://pd.tk" target="_blank">pd.tk</a>.<br>
><br>
> Tcl/Tk introduced the TkTile toolkit, for which I've heard that the big new<br>
> feature is that you can skin it. I haven't tried it myself. Meanwhile, I'm<br>
> using Pd-Extended with Tcl/Tk 8.5 while, officially, this very same version<br>
> of Pd-Extended is said to "not support" Tcl/Tk 8.5. On top of that, Miller<br>
> still wants to support Tcl/Tk 8.3 for some upcoming releases, and such<br>
> things that were already becoming obsolete in 2003.<br>
><br>
><br>
> There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Talk, talk, talk, it's only talk.<br>
> Arguments, babble, bicker bicker bicker, brouhaha, it's only talk.<br>
><br>
><br>
Well, lets be happy we have this wonderful ability to articulate words...<br>
;o)<br>
As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another toolkit.<br>
The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other core people are<br>
interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how soon?<br>
<br>
Andras<br>
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:21:15 +0100<br>
From: Pedro Lopes <<a href="mailto:pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt">pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Gigs with Pd<br>
To: Pierre Massat <<a href="mailto:pimassat@gmail.com">pimassat@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware >that's<br>
small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the perfect<br>
gear (perfect for me).<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_Data_router" target="_blank">http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_Data_router</a><br>
<br>
Never tried it though... seems interesting.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Pierre Massat <<a href="mailto:pimassat@gmail.com">pimassat@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hello everyone!<br>
><br>
> There was a discussion not too long ago about suitability of Pd in a live<br>
> context (off the "smoother audio" thread i think). I just wanted to say that<br>
> i use Pd everytime i play a gig with my band as a super multi effects. I<br>
> have never experienced any crash in Pd, and the sound is just excellent, and<br>
> everybody keeps asking me what the hell are these pedals and this software<br>
> and how the eff do i make all these sounds, and well, i just think this is<br>
> the future. I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of<br>
> hardware that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll<br>
> have the perfect gear (perfect for me).<br>
> Just wanted to share this.<br>
><br>
> Cheers!<br>
><br>
> Pierre<br>
><br>
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:12:07 -0400 (EDT)<br>
From: Mathieu Bouchard <<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Gigs with Pd<br>
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On Sun, 2 May 2010, Pedro Lopes wrote:<br>
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> >I m just hoping that sometime soon we'll have a piece of hardware >that's small and powerful enough to run Pd in realtime and I'll have >the perfect<br>
> gear (perfect for me).<br>
> <a href="http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_Data_router" target="_blank">http://www.bluemelon.org/index.php/Products/BM7505_BluePD_programmable_Pure_Data_router</a><br>
> Never tried it though... seems interesting.<br>
<br>
See also homemade <a href="http://www.workinprogress.ca/biscuit-box-computer/" target="_blank">http://www.workinprogress.ca/biscuit-box-computer/</a><br>
by Patrick S Coulombe.<br>
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT)<br>
From: Mathieu Bouchard <<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Ever divorce from Tcl/Tk? (Was Re:<br>
puredata_gui_design)<br>
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On Sun, 2 May 2010, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:<br>
<br>
> As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another<br>
> toolkit.<br>
<br>
Why would you care, that an unspecified person said "anyone" "can" do<br>
"whatever" on pd-list ? It isn't a sign of anything. Why don't you instead<br>
think about why the project really matters, and about what is needed to<br>
succeed at the task ?<br>
<br>
> The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other core people are<br>
> interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how soon?<br>
<br>
If anyone cared, there would be a prototype already.<br>
<br>
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Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:53:59 +0100<br>
From: Florian Hollerweger <<a href="mailto:flo@mur.at">flo@mur.at</a>><br>
Subject: [PD] Errors after renaming patch with exotic chars in<br>
filename<br>
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Dear list,<br>
<br>
In the project I am working on, I used two have two abstractions with<br>
exotic characters in their filenames:<br>
<br>
[time<]<br>
[<=>]<br>
<br>
After renaming those to something more sensible, I get the following<br>
error messages when I open these abstractions from their "parent" patch<br>
(i.e. the patch which uses them as abstractions) and then try to edit<br>
and save them:<br>
<br>
error: .xa98a600: no such object<br>
error: .xa9aef98: no such object<br>
error: .xaa2f3d8: no such object<br>
[...]<br>
<br>
I assume there is some sort of "invisible leftover" of the old filenames<br>
in the "parent" patch. Any ideas what would be the fastest way to get<br>
rid of this? I already tried copying & pasting both abstractions<br>
themselves and the "parent" patch to a new file, but that didn't help.<br>
Having said that, there are some dependencies in between (abstractions<br>
in the "parent" patch which call those two abstractions), which I did<br>
not copy and paste to to new files, so maybe the culprit is there?<br>
<br>
best,<br>
flo.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:47:32 +0200<br>
From: Andr?s Mur?nyi <<a href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com">muranyia@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [PD] Ever divorce from Tcl/Tk? (Was Re:<br>
puredata_gui_design)<br>
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2010/5/2 Mathieu Bouchard <<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>><br>
<br>
> On Sun, 2 May 2010, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:<br>
><br>
> As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another<br>
>> toolkit.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Why would you care, that an unspecified person said "anyone" "can" do<br>
> "whatever" on pd-list ? It isn't a sign of anything. Why don't you instead<br>
> think about why the project really matters, and about what is needed to<br>
> succeed at the task ?<br>
><br>
<br>
I was implicitly ironic, based on our shared knowledge of more floating<br>
ideas than actual projects.<br>
I do think about why the project really matters. ;o) I think Pd shall get a<br>
proper language-independent API.<br>
<br>
If you want to know why I don't start this project up myself, no it's not<br>
shyness or learned helplessness but the mere fact that i'm doing two jobs to<br>
survive and have no joules left for this. My bad.<br>
<br>
The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other core people are<br>
> interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how soon?<br>
><br>
<br>
If anyone cared, there would be a prototype already.<br>
><br>
<br>
Well, i just imagine it is not easy to have one's 'child' undergo such a<br>
severe operation, so one might not make up a decision or even publicly<br>
address the question so easily.<br>
<br>
Andras<br>
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