<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 2, 2010, at 11:55 AM, András Murányi wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/4/17 Mathieu Bouchard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "> <div class="im">On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, András Murányi wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "> One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow for such kind of skinning, afaik.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> Tcl/Tk up to 8.4 allow some amount of configuration... at least much more than has ever been used by anyone in <a href="http://pd.tk" target="_blank">pd.tk</a>.<br> <br> Tcl/Tk introduced the TkTile toolkit, for which I've heard that the big new feature is that you can skin it. I haven't tried it myself. Meanwhile, I'm using Pd-Extended with Tcl/Tk 8.5 while, officially, this very same version of Pd-Extended is said to "not support" Tcl/Tk 8.5. On top of that, Miller still wants to support Tcl/Tk 8.3 for some upcoming releases, and such things that were already becoming obsolete in 2003.<div class="im"> <br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> Talk, talk, talk, it's only talk.<br> Arguments, babble, bicker bicker bicker, brouhaha, it's only talk.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> </div></div></blockquote><div class="h5"> <br>Well, lets be happy we have this wonderful ability to articulate words... ;o)<br>As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another toolkit. The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other core people are interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how soon?<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Tcl/Tk happens to be a good GUI toolkit for making cross-platform apps that appear native on each platform. From my point of view, we should just implement things better, changing the GUI toolkit is not going to make as big a difference.</span></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">.hc<br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span> </div><br></body></html>