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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I've used the M-Audio
2496 (PCI) as well as RME HDSP. At the moment I'm using the onboard soundcard
of the mainboard which is a Realtek ALC889 (8ch with SPDif out).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>No problem with either
one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I don't like USB
soundcards because latency is quite bad and they have a lot of overhead plus a
tendency to drop outs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have no experience with
firewire cards on Linux but on windows the drivers are not nearly close to the
PCI RME drivers. I also have a focusrite “saffire pro” which is a
toy compared to the HDSP. The RME drivers are way (!) behind on Linux compared
to the Windows drivers. In general it seems like Linux has a better audio
system but Windows has better soundcard drivers. So you'll end up with a
similar result once everything is optimized. On Linux ALSA drivers don't work
for me at all. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">OSS</st1:place></st1:City>
is my personal choice. ALSA only works with the -nosleep flag on here. And that
option is still not as good as <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">OSS</st1:place></st1:City>
for my systems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So there are many things
that add up to span from unusable to absolutely great. Low latency needs a
certain combination of the right hardware components. Depending on your
mainboard chipset things can change dramatically. I prefere Nvidia and AMD
chipsets. And I stay away from VIA (maybe this has changed by now?).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>About hyperthreading: yes
it can be disabled - and you still get 50% of the CPU. Doesn't help anything.
If you use Pd you should go for AMD on Windows and Linux. On Mac you don't have
that choice, of course. I'm wondering what the developers would say about that
topic?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ingo<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Von: anewkindofblue@gmail.com [<a
href="mailto:anewkindofblue@gmail.com">mailto:anewkindofblue@gmail.com</a>] Im
Auftrag von Pedro Lopes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Juni 2010
19:22<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An: Ingo Scherzinger<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Betreff: Re: [PD] <st1:place
w:st="on">MIDI</st1:place> In-to-Out Latency<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>By the way Ingo
Scherzinger, probably non-related but what RME do you use in Ubuntu? I need to
purchase a soundcard compatible with Linux (since my Motu U.mk3 is a pain...)
and looking for ideas... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>:)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The ideal card would use
USB2.0 and have a minimum of 4 in + 4 out, low latency, ASIO on Windows, and
Linux support - the price is the tough part... I really wish that MOTU would
consider opening drivers for Linux...bastards.. the card is really good and has
internal DSP with great sound results in my consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>thanks if you can share
some thoughs about your soundcard+linux setup, Pedro On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at
6:19 PM, Pedro Lopes <pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hyperthreading can be
disabled - I never tryed it myself - but its in BIOS advanced options for most
computers/motherboards I've seen. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Depending on the
situation that can be either good of bad, If you only run one intensive cpu
program (i.e.: one instance of PD) is good to give a full cpu to it, but if you
run for instance Renoise (which for me is cpu intensive) and Pd, disabling hyperthreading
will result in even more buffer glitch. I think some game folks used to disable
hyperthreading in intel's p4 and get better rates than with it turned on, just
to serve as a mere example - but then again Software Engineers would argue that
this is just a matter of how threaded the programs are, and how they make good
use of that. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Pedro<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at
6:08 PM, Ingo Scherzinger <ingo@miamiwave.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Looks like there are some
problems with the soundcard drivers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I'm running very heavy
patches with 3 ms. Both on Windows XP and Ubuntu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Audio and <st1:place
w:st="on">MIDI</st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>However, on Windows I am
using a RME HDSP card which has very good ASIO drivers. Don't forget to set
system options to "background tasks" (very important!).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I also noticed that in
general Intel CPUs are pretty bad for Pd since they use hyperthreading which
makes Pd see two CPUs and uses only 50% of one core. AMDs are twice as
efficient because Pd uses the entire core.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ingo<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> cyrille henry wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> > but since you
don't like this, you should : in pd / startup add in <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> > "startup
flags" :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> > -noaudio
-audiobuf 0 -mididev 3<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> > than :
"save all setting" and it should work for next reboot...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> ><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> That's fine but what
if you want to trigger sound with the <st1:place w:st="on">MIDI</st1:place>
input?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> I've been trying
some settings and find that if I set the delay less <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> than 100ms the <st1:place
w:st="on">MIDI</st1:place> delay goes up to about 500ms, if it works at all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> I usually only use
Pd on WinXp to generate background tracks since the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> latency is so awful
compared to linux.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>> Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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