<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> patko <colet.patrice@free.fr><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> pd-list <pd-list@iem.at><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, June 12, 2010 7:59:29 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PD] plugin~ external<br></font><br>
<br>----- "Mathieu Bouchard" <<a ymailto="mailto:matju@artengine.ca" href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>> a écrit :<br><br>>> > or Psychic TV,<br>>> <br>>> I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have from<br>>> them <br>>> is acid house and satanic funk.<br>>> <br>><br>>You should listen to older albums, like "Gondole".<br>><br>>> > but industrialized music, that follows rules only driven by profit.<br>>> <br>>> but the profit, that profit, what is it driven by ? eventually you<br>>> have to <br>>> sell it to people who think it's art.<br>>> <br>>> > Not really, but I imagine that if media only releases art defined by<br>>> <br>>> > political, or monetarist rules, it's not art anymore, art IS<br>>> killed.<br>>> <br>>> How deader was art back when Michel-Ange was having a contract
with<br>>> the <br>>> Church and the Church was a major political power ? What with those<br>>> long <br>>> spans of art history in which if art wasn't about the bible it was<br>>> about <br>>> the royal family. You can't get much more politically-controlled than<br>>> <br>>> that.<br>><br> >You only know art that has survived through the ages,<br> >and obviously those political controllers has certainly destroyed all<br>>the art that doesn't follow their own set of rules, for example, in France most of Celtic<br>>monuments has been replaced by catholic monuments.<br><br>There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the ages, regardless of past Mozart scholars who <br>have excluded them from their catalogues of the "complete" works of Mozart. It may have been ignored for a <br>bit, but the cult of genius generally trumps the opportunistic desire to destroy art.<br><br>Anyway,
your point that "it's not art anymore, art IS killed" is clearly false. Imagine a tyrant who declares that <br>the only suitable music is a) by Beethoven and b) in C minor. It's certainly a travesty that anything <br>by Haydn or David Bowie would be banned, as well as Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but it surely remains a fact <br>that Beethoven's 5th is still a great symphony, regardless of the tyrant's endorsement.<br><br>There are plenty of pieces of music that sell very well in times of nationalist fervor, or in general. But it's sheer<br>confusion to say that these pieces _aren't_ art for that reason. That's misdirected anger; the real problem is <br>that other pieces are excluded because they either don't fit easily into a category, or they present an alternative <br>viewpoint that sits uncomfortably with general opinion (i.e., dissident music).<br><br>-Jonathan<br></div></div></div><br>
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