<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> patko <colet.patrice@free.fr><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> pd-list <pd-list@iem.at><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, June 13, 2010 10:33:59 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PD] plugin~ external<br></font><br>
<br>>----- "Jonathan Wilkes" <<a ymailto="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :<br>><br> ><br>>> There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the ages,<br>>> regardless of past Mozart scholars who<br>>> have excluded them from their catalogues of the "complete" works of<br>>> Mozart. It may have been ignored for a<br>>> bit, but the cult of genius generally trumps the opportunistic desire<br>>> to destroy art.<br>>> <br>><br>>We know Mozart because he has his pretty face on candy boxes, like F.Z. used to joke.<br><br>Who is F.Z.?<br><br>What you're saying is nonsense-- I know who C.P.E. Bach is, and there are no<br>chocolates that bear his name. And I wouldn't talk about his music any differently or <br>play it less if someone commercialized his persona.<br><br>>> Anyway, your point that "it's not art anymore, art
IS killed" is<br>>> clearly false. Imagine a tyrant who declares that<br>>> the only suitable music is a) by Beethoven and b) in C minor. It's<br>>> certainly a travesty that anything<br>>> by Haydn or David Bowie would be banned, as well as Beethoven's 6th<br>>> Symphony, but it surely remains a fact<br>>> that Beethoven's 5th is still a great symphony, regardless of the<br>>> tyrant's endorsement.<br>>> <br>>> There are plenty of pieces of music that sell very well in times of<br>>> nationalist fervor, or in general. But it's sheer<br>>> confusion to say that these pieces _aren't_ art for that reason.<br>>> That's misdirected anger; the real problem is<br>>> that other pieces are excluded because they either don't fit easily<br>>> into a category, or they present an alternative<br>>> viewpoint that sits uncomfortably with general opinion (i.e.,<br>>>
dissident music).<br>>> <br>>> -Jonathan<br>><br> >The problem is really actual, because it's related with this post-industrial period,<br>>where almost anything could falsified, or duplicated, where the main concept<br>>is about brain eating with a perpetual flow of those (duplicated&falsified) <br>>informations through almost all media, also used by "dissident people",<br>>who actually would be represented by rappers, or DJ's.<br><br>I don't know why all rappers/DJs would be dissidents. I mean dissidents in a more <br>specific sense-- people whose music is excluded from discourse because of <br>political/commercial/cultural pressure. Say, Rage Against the Machine after 9-11, <br>when Clear Channel stopped playing their music, as well as any other artists who<br>were considered anti-establishment (there's probably a list somewhere on the web <br>of these artists).<br><br>><br> >Here we have a kind of
example of the musical continuity imaginated by E. Varese<br>>where the musicians are removed to give the auditor always the same product.<br>><br> >It's just a matter of time for anything individually created to be completely removed<br>>from the mainstream, and replaced by a logo, a lobby, a brain firmware.<br><br>That's a sweeping statement. What does is mean? Are all the Mozart scores in the <br>IMSLP going to be replaced by logos?<br><br>Btw- logos are typically created individually by a graphic artist taking direction from <br>people who generally know very little about how to make a logo. Probably not so <br>different from the people who paid Mozart to write a divertimento. :)<br><br>-Jonathan<br></div></div>
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