<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>The first is included in Pd-extended, the second could be if someone wants to refactor it so that the patch applies. I can't speak for what's in Miller's trunk.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Jun 19, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hi list,<br> What's the story on the following patch?<br><span><strong></strong></span><br>[initbang]/[closebang] for patch constructor/destuctor - ID: 1544041<br><br>I know it says the status is "open," but on the other hand this patch was added<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>in 2006. From the related threads on pd user and dev, all I've seen are repeated<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>hopes from various developers that these objects be included as internal<br>objects in pd.<br><br>The only negative comment I've seen was indirectly from dmotd on<br> 2009-03-14, quoting Miller:<br><br>"Anyhow, I'm trying to think of a better mechanism for allowing abstractions<br>to have variable numbers of inlets/outlets, so I'm hoping initbang won't<br>be necessary in the long run.<br><br>closebang, though, will probably be needed in some form or other."<br><br>I'd like to ask: what is the problem with [initbang] as it is, and what would<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>a "better mechanism" look like? If a "better mechanism" is not currently<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>in the works, could these two objects be included in pd-vanilla so that in the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>meantime people can make abstractions that have dynamic numbers of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>inlets/outlets that will work on both versions of pd? (I've never used<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>[closebang] but I imagine the same reasoning holds for it as well.)<br><br>Similar questions about:<br>$@ and $# expansion (argc, argv) - ID: 1543850<br><br>It looks like the discussion just stopped, and I couldn't find any threads on user or dev list.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>$@ would be very useful, as well as matju's suggestion about some kind of "nth argument<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>and all the rest that follow."<br><br>-Jonathan<br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mailing list<br>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span> </div><br></body></html>