<font face="verdana,sans-serif"><div><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial">Well, let me be more clear. The last thing I wanted to be is offensive.</span></font></div><div><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"> >you </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; ">advocate to stop maintaining Pd for windows</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; ">No I don't. I said clearly: </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; ">"So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support." . Because, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; ">I think more people participating in Pd are in a different OS from windows. </span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"> >By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I configured to acess my accounts >and mails from both windows and ubuntu).</span></font></div>
<div><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br></font></div>I see you more... agreeing with me for how people should treat the Win OS (and MacOS of course) than you think. </font><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"> >And curiously, at the same time you said GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it to Mac - </span></font></div>
<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"> >where you have to pay double the amount for the hardware, and the </span></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"> >manufacturer even goes to the trouble of making sure every laptop model has a different electricity </span></font></div>
<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"> >cable, so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it. </span></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial"></span></font> >...At least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who stand for hours in line to be the </div>
<div> >first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the market.</div><div><br></div><div>Is this "let the battle begin" kind of paragraph?</div><div>I allready told that I UNFORTUNATELY moved to Mac because of it's support for audio producing and left the "strictly GNU-linux user" side of me. Everyone has his reasons using the OS he has installed, eventually. </div>
<div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="verdana, sans-serif">>I</font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; "> have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing - including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post more on it than I do.</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; "> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Then you should add me. Nothing against Facebook using, I'm against Farmville-like invitations.</span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2010 01:30, João Pais <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmmmpais@googlemail.com" target="_blank">jmmmpais@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi, I' m not a PD advanced user but here is my story:<br>
I think the dilemma is "Do we need more users for PD (and make it work<br>
perfectly in Windows too) or we need to aim the PD development for Linux/<br>
Mac users (and don't waste our "limited resources")?"<br>
<br>
*Well , I have seen on youtube etc people using windows and they are experts<br>
of PureData* but how many are they really?<br>
One of the reasons I chose to run GNU-Linux on my previous setup (besides<br>
the xp partition) are things you can have in it. And yes, PD was one of my<br>
major reasons! I unfortunately had then to buy a Mac because of the support<br>
of audio applications generally.<br>
<br>
Ok , most of people using a computer have Windows on their setup and in<br>
countries like Greece ... you have to even use it in your university.<br>
BUT: Do really people care about programs like PD or the ideology/democratic<br>
openess behind GNU-Linux when they use windows? Most of us had the first<br>
choice for our system of windows and we MOVED when we saw what we can and we<br>
cannot do in it.<br>
<br>
So, my opinion is to just be more consentrated on Mac/GNU-Linux support.<br>
There are not too many people who will really have the interest to learn Pd<br>
in depth and then browsing with IE7 their Facebook accounts.<br>
<br>
I honestly don't want to make Pd/Win users feel stupid.<br>
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No, but you just said something like "pd is too valuable for windows, these guys can't appreciate the beauty of it, and they just want to be fed whatever the big bo$$ puts in their mouths", and advocate to stop maintaining Pd for windows. And curiously, at the same time you said GNU-Linux is so great, you moved out of it to Mac - where you have to pay double the amount for the hardware, and the manufacturer even goes to the trouble of making sure every laptop model has a different electricity cable, so that you have to spend more money you case you loose it. And you're worried about people not following ideology?<br>
<br>
I'm a windows user, I don't know if I'm an "advanced pd user" (or what that is), but I've been using pd only for several years, have done my contributions to pd-ext (extra/jmmmp and donations in $), have patches for people to download if they want to, taken and given Pd workshops, was present in the Floss session, have worked on documentation, and partly organise the pd berlin users meeting. So, I don't appreciate when people judge windows users as idiots which don't know better, because I am one. At least I don't call mac users a bunch of preformatted hipsters who stand for hours in line to be the first to buy whatever crap Jobs launches on the market.<br>
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By the way, I don't use IE7, I use Opera for 10 years now (which I configured to acess my accounts and mails from both windows and ubuntu). I have a facebook account, which I use to see how other people are doing - including some of the most advanced pd users present on this list, they post more on it than I do.<br>
<br>
If you want to advocate segregation go ahead, but be honest about it. After all you use unix, you have the moral advantage (or you like to say you do).<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
João Pais<br>
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