<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 06:03:34AM -0400, Dan Wilcox wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">I think this has been asked before, but why isn't sssad included in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pd-extended? It's stable and I've been using it for quite some time<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and I know its getting plenty of use in rjlib.<br></blockquote><br>Apart from being packaged as its own Debian package (which is a new<br>requirement) it fulfills all requirements for pd-x-inclusion listed on<br>the <a href="http://puredata.info">puredata.info</a> page. <br><br>Maybe the question should better be: Why was sssad removed from<br>pd-extended after 0.41 and still is?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I think it's the maintenance issue. I can understand the need to flush everything out, then start adding the solid, maintainable externals back in ... although I think sssad is both solid and maintainable already.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>but I know, that many people would love to use sssad or already do but<br>hate it when they have to install a single-object library manually into<br>their pd-extended install.<br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Ja, that's why I distribute sssad with my lib. It would be nicer to have it as a pd-ext standard IMO, so those of us who use it in abstractions can stop packaging it.</div><div><br></div><div>Are there any objections to me following <a href="http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended">Hans' guide</a> and adding it? What about the Debian packaging issue? I suppose I can do that too if needed ... as well as volunteer to be the maintainer. I want to push my patches into pd-ext soon anyway.</div></div></blockquote></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><div style="font-family: monospace; ">From what I rememeber, it was excluded because it was non-functional the way it was included. There is a bug that prevents the libdir packaging working when the folder has the same name as the abstraction in it, i.e. sssad/sssad.pd. T</div><div style="font-family: monospace; ">This works with binary externals.</div><div style="font-family: monospace; "><br></div><div style="font-family: monospace; ">As for alternate ways of including things besides libdirs, there are lots of kludges currently in Pd-extended. I've been spending a lot of my time maintaining them. I'm working on reducing maintenance time so I can actually spend time coding new things. So far, only a couple people have a track record of actually maintaining code in Pd-extended without me needing to get involved (Martin Peach, Matju, Roman, IOhannes, I'm probably missing someone).</div><div style="font-family: monospace; "><br></div><div style="font-family: monospace; ">So I think the way forward is to make it easy for people to distribute their own libraries on their own, and make them really easy to install and use. Pd-extended 0.42.5 and Pd-vanilla 0.43 have big improvements in that regard, so people should try that path first (i.e. package as libdir, make the libdir usable when dropped into the standard user install paths in the FAQ, etc.)</div><div style="font-family: monospace; "><br></div><div style="font-family: monospace; ">.hc</div><div><br></div></span><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>"[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own government." - Martin Luther King, Jr.</div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>