<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><div style="font-family: monospace; ">From what I rememeber, it was excluded because it was non-functional the way it was included. There is a bug that prevents the libdir packaging working when the folder has the same name as the abstraction in it, i.e. sssad/sssad.pd. T</div><div style="font-family: monospace; ">This works with binary externals.</div><div style="font-family: monospace; "><br></div><div style="font-family: monospace; ">As for alternate ways of including things besides libdirs, there are lots of kludges currently in Pd-extended. I've been spending a lot of my time maintaining them. I'm working on reducing maintenance time so I can actually spend time coding new things. So far, only a couple people have a track record of actually maintaining code in Pd-extended without me needing to get involved (Martin Peach, Matju, Roman, IOhannes, I'm probably missing someone).</div><div style="font-family: monospace; "><br></div><div style="font-family: monospace; ">So I think the way forward is to make it easy for people to distribute their own libraries on their own, and make them really easy to install and use. Pd-extended 0.42.5 and Pd-vanilla 0.43 have big improvements in that regard, so people should try that path first (i.e. package as libdir, make the libdir usable when dropped into the standard user install paths in the FAQ, etc.)</div></span></div></span></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Ok, so the emphasis will be on less included libs within pd-ext in the future and more on the lib framework making externals easy to install? I think we mainly need a sort of "externals" portal on the website where everyone registers libs so its a one-stop shop for picking your object poison. This makes more sense then an every growing blob within pd-extended.</div></div></blockquote></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">If someone truly wants to take on maintaining more libs in Pd-extended, that is ok by me. I really don't want people to add stuff to Pd-extended then disappear leaving me to deal with it, that's mostly what's happened.</span></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">As for a place for libs, IOhannes set this up a while ago, I've started adding things to it, I think it works well as a place for people to release their libs, GUI plugins, etc. I think we should switch puredata.info/downloads to this page once we get things all figured out.</span></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><a href="http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/">http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/</a></span></span></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true">.hc</div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br style="font-family: Tahoma; "></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br style="font-family: Tahoma; "></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. 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