<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Can you guys take this to pd-ot please?<div><br><div><div>On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)<br><br>.hc<br><br>On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">bueller?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at">pd-list-bounces@iem.at</a> [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com]<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">James<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">HI there..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I just want to "share" my experiences with Osīs..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp....<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldnīt do anything w it..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Then I got one.. and until the day, Iīve been using all the Osīs and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. Itīs actually so good that Iīm starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What I canīt understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). Thereīs a known bug on it that not just doesnīt connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug itīs still not solved completely.,.. (???????)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This just shows that It doesnīt matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just donīt give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware itīs not brand new...).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because thereīs people that doesnīt care about computers (even when they are working w them..)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">what I do, when Iīm teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldnīt sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Pd-list@iem.at<<a href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">mailto:Pd-list@iem.at</a>> mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Pd-list@iem.at">Pd-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br></blockquote><br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler<br><br><br><br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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