<div>>the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing.</div>>I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck<br>>bueller?<div>I kinda agree. There's still need for a stronger video editor. </div>
<div><br></div><div><my2cents></div><div>In linux I use cinelerra, although I'm a major critic of its interface+learning curve (these are strongly binded) and also crashes and missing features (namely decent export formats,ruler adjusts, and so forth). </div>
<div><br></div><div>Lives is horrific. kdenlive is a bit like cinelerra although with a nicer interface, thus lowering learning curve. I should probably start using it more, since cinelerra is not that good as I want. <br>
<br></div><div></my2cents></div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, that's it video editing software is still a bit behind, but for instance video/codec converting is light years ahead with great tools such as mencoder (it does virtually everything).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Pedro</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Martin Eckart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:imartron@gmail.com">imartron@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I also used Blender for a video project last year. It was definitely a<br>
learning curve but in all it did what I needed.<br>
<br>
-martin<br>
<br>
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 16:38 +0200, Olivier Heinry wrote:<br>
> I started using Blender's sequence engine a few months back, and as long<br>
> as you install a version compiled with ffmpeg support, it works nicely.<br>
> it's a very different environment though.<br>
><br>
> pros:<br>
> * x-platform<br>
> * features 3D!<br>
> * big community, alive project<br>
><br>
> cons:<br>
> * implies learn very different shortcuts<br>
> * file browser not handy<br>
><br>
> dont know if you can capture anything from within it, but pd/dvgrab does<br>
> the job for me.<br>
><br>
> ++<br>
> OH<br>
><br>
> Le 22/09/2010 16:16, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :<br>
> > cinelerra is basically Bcast2000 redone IMHO<br>
> > I will look at kdenlive i guess!<br>
> > :-)<br>
> > thx.<br>
> > ________________________________________<br>
> > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>]<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:07 AM<br>
> > To: Pagano, Patrick<br>
> > Cc: James Dunn; <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
> > Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.<br>
> ><br>
> > How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive<br>
> > and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)<br>
> ><br>
> > .hc<br>
> ><br>
> > On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing.<br>
> >> I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck<br>
> >> bueller?<br>
> >> ________________________________________<br>
> >> From: <a href="mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at">pd-list-bounces@iem.at</a> [<a href="mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at">pd-list-bounces@iem.at</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
> >> James Dunn [<a href="mailto:james@4thharmonic.com">james@4thharmonic.com</a>]<br>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM<br>
> >> To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue.<br>
> >> I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell<br>
> >> V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response<br>
> >> from emailing Dell.<br>
> >> Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because<br>
> >> the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on<br>
> >> the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D<br>
> >> support for Gem...<br>
> >><br>
> >> James<br>
> >><br>
> >> Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:<br>
> >><br>
> >> HI there..<br>
> >><br>
> >> I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..<br>
> >><br>
> >> I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98,<br>
> >> millenium, nt, xp....<br>
> >> It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so<br>
> >> I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..<br>
> >><br>
> >> At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do<br>
> >> anything w it..<br>
> >><br>
> >> years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I<br>
> >> was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one<br>
> >> or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in<br>
> >> real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare,<br>
> >> even a gameboy was fascinating..)<br>
> >><br>
> >> Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and<br>
> >> also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.<br>
> >><br>
> >> My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity )<br>
> >> started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of<br>
> >> satisfaction & admiration..<br>
> >><br>
> >> Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu<br>
> >> 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good<br>
> >> that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you<br>
> >> know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand<br>
> >> that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a<br>
> >> driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).<br>
> >><br>
> >> What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl)<br>
> >> with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them,<br>
> >> are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in<br>
> >> making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making<br>
> >> good code...)<br>
> >><br>
> >> yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system<br>
> >> (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect<br>
> >> to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the<br>
> >> router stops working,,,, (???).<br>
> >><br>
> >> I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the<br>
> >> system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I<br>
> >> already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved<br>
> >> completely.,.. (???????)<br>
> >><br>
> >> This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related<br>
> >> posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don<br>
> >> ´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if<br>
> >> your hardware it´s not brand new...).<br>
> >><br>
> >> The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,<br>
> >><br>
> >> About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but<br>
> >> I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people<br>
> >> that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w<br>
> >> them..)<br>
> >><br>
> >> what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb<br>
> >> sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the<br>
> >> people to try a "truly" operative system..<br>
> >><br>
> >> many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least<br>
> >> partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).<br>
> >><br>
> >> If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as<br>
> >> they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some<br>
> >> years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase<br>
> >> massively.<br>
> >><br>
> >> To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers /<br>
> >> contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative<br>
> >> system.<br>
> >><br>
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