<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Would you make use of the following if they were included in Pd vanilla?<br><br>* symbol2list<br>* initbang and closebang<br>* a way to read a text file that's guaranteed to not generate a bad argument <br>error<br><br>-Jonathan<br><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 12/16/10, brandon zeeb <i><zeeb.brandon@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: brandon zeeb <zeeb.brandon@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [PD] PD OOP?<br>To: "Mathieu Bouchard" <matju@artengine.ca><br>Cc: "PD List" <pd-list@iem.at><br>Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 1:45 AM<br><br><div id="yiv2022861931">On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Mathieu Bouchard <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:matju@artengine.ca" target="_blank"
href="/mc/compose?to=matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="yiv2022861931gmail_quote"><blockquote class="yiv2022861931gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="yiv2022861931im">On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:<br>
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do you, really ?<br>
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Why are people getting offended here?<br>
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Am I getting offended ? How would you know, anyway ?<div class="yiv2022861931im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Well, you're certainly argumentative :-/<br> </div><blockquote class="yiv2022861931gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Having to reinvent all that's outside of pd-vanilla is a more severe information overload.</div><div class="yiv2022861931im"><br></div>
If your background is in software development, then you know that you should rely on libraries to get stuff done.<div class="yiv2022861931im"><br>
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I use Pd to help learn these basics, and I will use pd-extended when I've mastered the basics.<br>
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But, as I said, many of what I consider to be basics are outside of pd-vanilla (while several things in pd-vanilla are rarely ever used by anyone).<div class="yiv2022861931im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Relying on the pre-baked solution that is pd-extended doesn't make for a very rewarding learning experience. Yet, if I were being paid for this, I would definitely be making use of pd-extended because as you mentioned, my primary motivation would be getting stuff done. As a software developer, I'm keen on avoiding the reliance on superfluous dependency, and right now pd-extended is just that.<br>
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With that in mind, what's the point in using a pre-baked filter if I haven't created my own<br>
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It's so that you don't have to create your own.<div class="yiv2022861931im"><br></div></blockquote><div class="yiv2022861931im"><br>As I mentioned, I do want to create my own... to learn.<br><br>
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Using IoC / Strategy, you create your abstraction and pass a symbol referencing the metronome you want to use.<br>
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But you can also create the [metro] outside of the object, provided that you have an inlet in the abstraction that accepts the bangs, and zero, one or two outlets for connecting back to [metro] depending on needs. Isn't that IoC ?</blockquote>
<div><br>Yes, that would be a fine example when the payload is rather simple, and when tilde~ objects aren't involved (block delay!). Anything beyond 1 or two outlet/inlet pairs would probably be too cryptic for my uses, but the same would go for creation style IoC.<br>
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In Java / Spring IoC psuedocode:<br>
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No idea what Spring is... and it doesn't seem to be used in your pseudocode, does it ?</blockquote><div class="yiv2022861931im"><br>Most Java classes used in Spring follow that example with setters for most dependencies. With regards to IoC, Spring is the agent that deals with creating objects, resolving setter and constructor dependency, and connecting them together. This is accomplished either through XML, annotations, or simple code (as in my example, where I'm instantiating the objects myself).<br>
<br></div></div>-- <br><font style="font-family: garamond,serif;" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Brandon Zeeb</span><br style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"></font><br><br>
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