I see.<div><br></div><div>I was thinking of externals as anything that can be loaded as an object or library - like any non native/pd vanilla object - at startup.</div><div><br></div><div>Therefore, my concept of externals is broad, and can include abstractions if their path is listed on Pd preferences. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't use vanilla, so I don't know if the [sin~] object or list-abs is loaded there. But then, what matters is that I am actually wrong to conceive it this way, and need to be corrected, right?</div>
<div><br></div><div>The thing is that I am translation my long Pd Tutorial to english, and I make this assumption there somewhere. One of my intent to translate to english is to see if you guys find inconsistent information there too.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot</div><div>Alex</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/16 Miller Puckette <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu">msp@ucsd.edu</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I think the term 'external' was coined by David Zicarelli (in the context<br>
of the M program, before Max) to mean an external code segment. I've always<br>
used it to mean a calss defined in a dynamically linked object module<br>
(presumably written in C).<br>
<br>
I use the word 'abstractions' to refer to patches invoked by name in<br>
object boxes. So for me at least, the two are different animals.<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
<font color="#888888">Miller<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 04:42:26AM +0000, Pedro Lopes wrote:<br>
> For me external is different from abstraction.<br>
> For what I understand there's a need for a joint concept, one that says<br>
> "this visual object box is <<something>>".<br>
><br>
> Is that what you call class Mathieu?<br>
><br>
> best,<br>
> Pedro<br>
> p.s.: this kinda answers another thread, where I posted that table of<br>
> concepts "mental exercise" (for me).<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Alexandre Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I didn't say they strictly are, but that they can be (as with list-abs).<br>
> ><br>
> > alex<br>
> ><br>
> > 2011/2/16 Mathieu Bouchard <<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca">matju@artengine.ca</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Alexandre Porres wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> > Btw-- the manual makes a distinction between> "abstractions"<br>
> >>> and "externs".<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> But it shouldn't, right? I mean, it's not real in practice, for<br>
> >>> abstractions can be externals...<br>
> >>><br>
> >><br>
> >> Which definitions are you using ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> I've never seen « abstractions are externals » nor anything that would<br>
> >> imply it.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I tried introducing the word « class » in users' vocabulary, to include<br>
> >> both abstraction definitions and external definitions under a same word, and<br>
> >> using the word « object » to mean instances of either, but there is still<br>
> >> some resistance to using industry-standard vocabulary instead of whatever<br>
> >> the MAX manuals coughed up, for example.<br>
> >><br>
> >> It would be good if you stated the definitions you use. It'd help me<br>
> >> understand how « abstractions are externals » can be a true statement.<br>
> >><br>
> >> _______________________________________________________________________<br>
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