For me external is different from abstraction.<div>For what I understand there's a need for a joint concept, one that says "this visual object box is <<something>>".</div><div><br></div><div>Is that what you call class Mathieu?</div>
<div><br></div><div>best,</div><div>Pedro</div><div>p.s.: this kinda answers another thread, where I posted that table of concepts "mental exercise" (for me).<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Alexandre Porres <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I didn't say they strictly are, but that they can be (as with list-abs).<div><br></div><div>alex<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2011/2/16 Mathieu Bouchard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca" target="_blank">matju@artengine.ca</a>></span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Alexandre Porres wrote:<br>
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> Btw-- the manual makes a distinction between> "abstractions" and "externs".<br>
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But it shouldn't, right? I mean, it's not real in practice, for abstractions can be externals...<br>
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Which definitions are you using ?<br>
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I've never seen « abstractions are externals » nor anything that would imply it.<br>
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I tried introducing the word « class » in users' vocabulary, to include both abstraction definitions and external definitions under a same word, and using the word « object » to mean instances of either, but there is still some resistance to using industry-standard vocabulary instead of whatever the MAX manuals coughed up, for example.<br>
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It would be good if you stated the definitions you use. It'd help me understand how « abstractions are externals » can be a true statement.<br>
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