<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>I agree avoiding horizontal connections is good. the 5% of the time when segmented patch cord are useful is when you need to take a patch cord from the bottom to the top of a patch to make a loop.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>How can you say that segmented patch cords are bad 95% of the time when they are not even available in Pd 100% of the time?<br><br>Just to take Miller's "Techniques" as an example, if there were segmented patch cords then all of his horizontal connections could be made unambiguous by having about 5px of vertical cord segment directly above the inlet.<br><br>Also, I've never seen you complain about any of the ASCII art on the this list, which often (surely more than 5% of the time) uses "-" and "|" at 90-degree angles and "+" to make segmented patch cords.<br><br>-Jonathan</div></td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="_origMsg_"> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif:font-size:10pt"> <br> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span> </b> Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>>; <br> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold:">To:</span> </b> Marco Donnarumma <<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com">devel@thesaddj.com</a>>; <br> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold:">Cc:</span> </b> <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>>; <br> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold:">Subject:</span> </b> Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter <br> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b> Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:48:10 PM <br> </font> <br> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="font:inherit;"><br><div><div>On Feb 19, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">This made me think of a help to revealing (2). If an interface<br> were to have hover-over tooltips, as has been discussed at times<br> for outlets/inlets, then a cable could reveal its creation<br> order on hover.<br> <br> It wouldn't obviate triggers, but would make a nice debugging<br> feature.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>+1</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">I don't think the connection order should be exposed. I really think that the GUI should not encourage bad programming practice. Its also this same reason why I think that 95% of the time, segmented patch cords are bad.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">But yes, tooltips showing what messages an inlet expects would be great to have. Check out the l2ork distro for the new version of J.Sarlo's magic glass cord inspector.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">.hc</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px 0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;orphans:2;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://at.or.at/hans/">http://at.or.at/hans/</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span> </div><br></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div> </div> <br> </blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div><br></div>I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." 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