Jumping on the discussion (not a frequent poster, but I do follow), I must say I agree with Marco... but one question (kinda related, but at the same time isn't): what would consist, then, "improvisation" when using Pd?<div>
<br></div><div>I mean, if you consider <i>free</i> improvisation the only thing I can think of, in five seconds, is "live coding". However, if you think of an instrument there are also "pre-given" structures one must follow, that is, pitch range, playability, timbre and so on. Roughly, with traditional instruments (from western tradition) you can't go that far away from the 12-tone paradigm (of course, a few exceptions here and there with guys like Otomo Yoshihide for the guitar or Coltrane/Evan Parker for Saxophone), but then, again... what is <i>true </i>improvisation in the context of Pd, Max, whatever?</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm asking because, like I said, I do agree with Marco - recombining patterns doesn't consist of improvisation for me as well... and if improvisation in that case consists of playing notes over the riffs and patterns, why use a gestural controller? Just for the sake of technology?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Such topic interests me a lot, I'd love to hear your thoughts :)</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Marco Donnarumma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com">devel@thesaddj.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ingo,<div>thanks for your explanation, I think to understand how he's playing.</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The movement looks to me secondary - it's more like a dance movement and not<br>
too much music control.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>This might be a very personal take, but if movement is secondary in gestural control, why one uses gestural control at all?</div>
<div>I believe that effective and ancillary gestures are what reinforce our perception of an instrument as a musical tool, rather than a mere "device".</div><div>Imho many gestural controllers would benefit of a better focus on this aspect.</div>
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">How would you play such melodic lines (like those jazz licks) - in time -<br>
simply with gestural control? </span></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Setting an array of preset chords, triggering them with multiple switches, deploying a timeline which holds the trigger until the onset of the next beat or quarter, etc...</div>
<div>I guess the list here could come up with many other methods.</div><div>I'm not saying that's trivial, I only think that it's not the "future" as it is presented in the video.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">How would you improvise on scales, pattern or<br>harmonic structures? After all he's a jazz player calling his music "beat<br>jazz".<br>
</span></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What do you call improvisation in this case?</div><div>How much is he improvising?</div><div>I can imagine he's "improvising" with the melodic lines, but playing samples and presets chords doesn't match my own definition of improvisation.</div>
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