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like a difficult thing to pull off. This is because the regular displacefn is
used for initial posting of objects which is absolute in nature while
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Hans-Christoph
Steiner [mailto:hans@at.or.at] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 04, 2011
6:26 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ivica Ico Bukvic<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> pd-list@iem.at<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [PD] how to capture
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The said changes are in
pre-git tarballs. I think they are also listed in the changelog under a
specific date which should make things a bit easier to isolate. That said,
implementation alters widgetbehavior struct by adding one more entry and as
such it breaks compatibility with gridflow unless recompiled from scratch using
the new .h file. Even then there might be other incompatibilities. That said,
I've encountered none, other than gridflow. Of course, other externals need to
be recompiled as well (but no changes to their source are required).<br>
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HTH<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
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Ico<br>
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Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A<br>
Composition, Music Technology<br>
Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio<br>
Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra<br>
Assistant Director, CCTAD<br>
Virginia Tech<br>
Department of Music<br>
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(540) 231-6139<br>
(540) 231-5034 (fax)<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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to where these changes are so I can check them out?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Indeed, pd-l2ork moves
entire selection by tag, so instead of redrawing everything, out issues single
tcl/tk command. The only thing that still redrawed every time when displaced is
gop-enabled patcher.<br>
<br>
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A<br>
Composition, Music Technology<br>
Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio<br>
Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra<br>
Assistant Director, CCTAD<br>
Virginia Tech<br>
Department of Music<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Blacksburg</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">VA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">24061-0240</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
(540) 231-6139<br>
(540) 231-5034 (fax)<br>
<a href="http://disis.music.vt.edu/">disis.music.vt.edu</a><br>
<a href="http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/">l2ork.music.vt.edu</a><br>
<a href="http://ico.bukvic.net/">ico.bukvic.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<pre style='white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I believe Ivica made such a modification in Pd-l2ork-- whatever the case, moving many iemguis in <br>
Pd-l2ork is much snappier than in Vanilla or Pd-extended. But I haven't measured the cpu load.<br>
<br>
-Jonathan<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>><br>
> To: Joćo Pais <<a href="mailto:jmmmpais@googlemail.com">jmmmpais@googlemail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: katja <<a href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com">katjavetter@gmail.com</a>>; "<a
href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>" <<a
href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>>; Jonathan Wilkes <<a
href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:07 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>doubt that Tcl/Tk's drawing code is being overloaded. Instead, try <br>
> running "path/to/pd -stderr -d 3" and you'll see that 'pd' <br>
> is sending 'pd-gui' massive amounts of Tcl code to pa!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> rse,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>compile, and <br>
> execute. In the case of a move, this could be accomplished with one line of Tcl <br>
> to tag everything you want to move, then one move command to let Tcl/Tk do the <br>
> moving.<br>
> <br>
> .hc<br>
> <br>
> On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Joćo Pais wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> those spikes is what I was predicting with the graphic overloading of <br>
> tcl/tk (through data structures, in this case).<br>
>> <br>
>> you could also try the following: make the "selectable area" <br>
> around one corner (or middle) of the button: with a tiny bit more resolution, <br>
> but less points in the template. if you want to keep the squares, it's even <br>
> better, because it helps you selecting the structs.<br>
>> <br>
>> Or one other thing: maybe can the tcl/tk code be changed, so that it <br>
> doesn't overload that fast? Reduce the redraw rate, or something else? (I <br>
> h!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> ave no<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>idea about tcl/tk)<br>
>> <br>
>> Or change the output rate of the struct object? (this might not help much)<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> About the background grid for instant jumps, an implementation of it in run <br>
> mode is easy. I could try to give an example, but don't have any time for <br>
> now.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>> From: katja <<a href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com">katjavetter@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a><br>
>>>> Cc:<br>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:10 AM<br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when <br>
> toxy is discontinued?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <br>
> <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> How does the cpu usage in my demo!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> compare<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>to your patch where <br>
> you use<br>
>>>>> a radiobutton?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Here's a cpu load comparison of objects dragged continuously <br>
> (on intel<br>
>>>> mac 2GHz):<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> polygon in movable_box2.pd: 23 %<br>
>>>> polygon in 07.sequencer.pd (help browser): 16%<br>
>>>> radiobutton in moving_objects.pd: 12 %<br>
>>>> regular Pd slider: 13 %<br>
>>>> 2D geo in a gem window: 2.5%<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I just got intermittent rises up to 50% on a dual core 64-bit amd with<br>
>>> all of the above.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I imagine that the cpu load for movable_box2.pd is due to the number of<br>
>>> points in the polygon. I think you could get a 20x20 draggable square <br>
> with 8 coordinates-- that<br>
>>> would be equal to the number of p!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> oints in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>a radiobutton so maybe that <br>
> would get down<br>
>>> to a corresponding cpu load.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I'll try some tweaks later to see if that works.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> -Jonathan<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Your polygon method is plain vanilla Pd and that makes it <br>
> attractive<br>
>>>> for a widely shared Pd patch. No risk of broken dependencies. But I <br>
> am<br>
>>>> afraid it is too cpu-intensive, particularly on Windows. Thanks for<br>
>>>> sharing the idea though, it is inspiring.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Katja<br>
>>>> <br>
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