<div class="gmail_quote">Hello, interesting thread indeed...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2012/1/4 Mathieu Bouchard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matju@artengine.ca" target="_blank">matju@artengine.ca</a>></span><br>
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Le 2012-01-03 ā 21:47:00, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :<div><br>
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Here is btw another call about a Pd workshop BEK held back in 2005. <a href="http://www.bek.no/projects/35-visiblesoundaudibleimage?locale=en" target="_blank">http://www.bek.no/projects/35-<u></u>visiblesoundaudibleimage?<u></u>locale=en</a> but that was 7 years ago...<br>
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So, why don't you give more recent examples, to show some kind of continuity ? I know that in seven years, there can be a lot of change of personnel (and thus mentality) in an art centre... I mean, from my own personal experience (5200 km away from BEK).<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The reason I put this was just because I wanted to see if they had anything about Pure Data at all in BEK so I put </div><div>"Pure Data" in the search window on the main page at <a href="http://bek.no" target="_blank">bek.no</a> and that was one of few entry that showed up in the search result. I didn´t spend much time on that - antd didnt compare with other things thay might have done with open source resources. Also agrees and knows institutions and arts center changes with the staff involved. </div>
<div> </div><div>Found this about the equipment/softwares in some studio of theirs - and really they don´t seem to have Pd or other open source resources there: <a href="http://bek.no/pages/fascilities?locale=en" target="_blank">http://bek.no/pages/fascilities?locale=en</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Here is what they state under "sound" and "other":</div><div><br></div><div><table width="280" border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="0" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'Lucida Grande',Lucida,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:16px">
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Ableton Live</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Amadeus</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Cubase</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Logic Pro</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Max4Live</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Soundbooth</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Wave Editor</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Wavelab</li></td></tr><tr style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent">
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Photoshop CS5</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
Illustrator CS5</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:6px;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;outline-width:0px;outline-style:initial;outline-color:initial;font-size:12px;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-color:transparent;text-align:left;list-style-position:outside;background-repeat:initial initial">
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Max Msp Jitter</li></td></tr></tbody></table><br></div><div class="im"><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Also, preferably, something with more hours... that's 25 hours, probably minus food time, let's say 20 hours. That's better than most workshops, but there have been significantly longer ones.<div><br>
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In a way it would be cool to just send back this e-mail exchanges to the call-makers? - so they see how stupid this call is - and anti-productive.<br>
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Is it stupid or is it just a generous rebate plan from two software companies ? Just an honest question, no insinuations.<div><div><br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, I think so called marketing from software companies could maybe be that aggresive (that they can have some specific deals with people/institutions receiving generous discounts)... I don´t know about how the discussion goes. It would be an interesting topic to lift up. Are there huge rebate plans for instituions / schools / - and how are (generally) the conditions to receive these?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here in Sweden I know that Steinberg has rather hefty rebates of up to 50% for students and academic institutions, but they don´t state any exclusive conditions for the academic institutions. I think Digidesign (Avid) has about the same deals. Institutions & associations that are not academic might be another thing with... (just raising perspectives, know nothing about this really)</div>
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<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>All the best,</div><div>Björn Eriksson</div></div></div>
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