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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would not try to crack Max/Msp, nor do any of my students engage in such poor practices<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I took a Kyma class in Grad school, it sounded awesome but was way out of my price range of course<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Wilkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richie Cyngler<br>
<b>Cc:</b> pd list; Ben Baker-Smith<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">No, there really are music students out there looking at what they need in order to be successful, and
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">when most of the voices around them are aggressively (and often ignorantly) suggesting only
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">proprietary tools that cost lots of money, these students save up their meager resources in order to
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">buy them. I'm talking about students who are probably already in debt from loans, and it's quite common
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">that they max out on their technology budget and as a consequence are unable to attend a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">festival.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">What's even worse is that these constrained options lead to a lot of those students downloading
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">cracked copies of proprietary software (and the negative effects there usually manifest themselves
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">more quickly and concretely).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">-Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Richie Cyngler <<a href="mailto:glitchpop@gmail.com">glitchpop@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>>
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<b>Cc:</b> Ben Baker-Smith <<a href="mailto:bbakersmith@gmail.com">bbakersmith@gmail.com</a>>; pd list <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="color:black">Not a bad point... but, or more likely because they are supporting only those artists able to afford such things as expensive software, travel and food.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">I can't think of a better example of the vicious cycle of software lock-in than this. <br>
They don't have money to offer financial support, so they have to rely on the tools<br>
that they know, which are proprietary and expensive, thus making it even less likely<br>
that a composer would be able to afford to travel to the concert (because he/she<br>
had to spend money on either Max/MSP or Kyma to composer the piece in the first<br>
place).<br>
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<span class="yiv2103464581hoenzb">-Jonathan</span></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: Ben Baker-Smith <<a href="mailto:bbakersmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">bbakersmith@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: pd list <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
> Cc:<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:12 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">> Hi list!<br>
><br>
> I got a more clear response from the organizers on this issue than<br>
> anything I've seen in this thread so far - here it is:<br>
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>> Hi Ben,<br>
>><br>
>> thanks for your Interest in our Call.<br>
>><br>
>> We accepts only patches made with Kyma or Max/MSP due the fact we are not<br>
> able to provide<br>
>> financial support for the two selected composers. So it is possible that<br>
> they will not be able to be in Milan for the concert.<br>
>> To avoid technical issues we choose the plattforms we already use in our<br>
> work or we are very familiar with.<br>
>> This is the only reason.<br>
>> If the selected composer can assure us to be available for the concert the<br>
> can be used any piece of software/hardware.<br>
>><br>
>> I hope this helps.<br>
>><br>
>> Many thanks<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Federico Placidi<br>
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