<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Before we start arguing about this, I really would be shocked to find out that Ubuntu/oneiric does not install Recommends: by default. That would really break a lot of things since lots of things that most people need are just Recommends: and not Depends:.</div><div><br></div><div>So I did a little investigation. It turns out that gdebi, python-apt, and perhaps some other GUIs ignore Recommends... Since many people directly download the .deb file from <a href="http://puredata.info">puredata.info</a>, they'll be installing it using a GUI like gdebi. And therefore no Recommends: gets installed.</div><div><br></div><div>That was enough for me to move tk8.5 from Recommends: to Depends: for Pd-extended.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=15966">http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=15966</a></div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:11 PM, John Harrison wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">How many people would chose to use ubuntu Oneiric, use a pre-built binary for Pd-extended, AND not have X? I would hope that small group would reconsider using Oneiric for something a bit more streamlined and would likely be compiling their own minimalist Pd --- certainly not Pd-extended.<div>
<br></div><div>I could more easily except the answer of leaving it as "Recommends" if Pd did not use X by default or at least if it returned an error message (in an X window if run from an X window) describing the missing dependency.</div>
<div><br></div><div>While one probably exists, I know of no other pre-built binaries in ubuntu which intentionally are missing dependencies preventing them from running in their default modes. Pd's default is to use X.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think vlc might get around this by having a separate vlc-nox binary? If we really have to have binaries for ubuntu that don't depend on tk, I'd recommend that route.</div><div><br></div><div>
-John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Roman Haefeli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com">reduzent@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 15:11 -0600, John Harrison wrote:<br>
> Then that would be the case for all stock Oneirics. I think it should be<br>
> depends. This will be confusing for novice users, such as those using stock<br>
> setups.<br>
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</div>If it would be a 'Depends:', then there wouldn't be a way to install<br>
Pd(-extended) without pulling in a whole X-server setup. I think it<br>
should stay a 'Recommends:'.<br>
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