<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><br>
Sadly it's too late to include Xth Sense to Pd-ext, I already ask for<br>
the inclusion of PdMtl and Mtl Abstraction in the next Pd-ext (0.43).<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>ooh :/</div><div>wow, PdMtl is out there since ages... </div><div>I always thought why it is not yet included. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>One showstopper is that it relies on objects that are not included in Pd-extended (pool, last I checked). But mostly its because there has never been a proper versioned release. </div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; ">Quoting Hans<br>
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I think its too late for 0.43, but 0.44 is definitely possible. With<br>
much less work, we can make it easy for people to find and install<br>
themselves, and that takes effect once you do it. Only one small thing<br>
has been added since November, so its in feature freeze.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I see, fair enough. But why it is such a hassle?</div><div>If the library is ready according to the community guidelines, is it still a pain to include it?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>People have come to expect quite a bit of consistency with libraries in Pd-extended, and this consistency is cross-platform. Indeed this is a core goal of Pd-extended. That means that new libraries need to be checked so that they are known to work the same across all platforms that Pd-extended supports. It also means that every object included in Pd-extended will work with only Pd-extended, no external libraries required. And it means that every object has its own help patch, and so on, and so forth.</div><div><br></div><div>If you think that getting into Debian/testing is hard, that is easier than it seems. The library template takes care of that for you, and I'm happy to sponsor/upload/maintain in Debian any Pd library that is based on the Library Template.</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; ">- Having it on github will make that a easier too. You don't need to<br>
make release tarballs, for example, you can just tag a release in git,<br>
ie "git tag v0.1", then github makes a link to a downloadable tarball.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Xth Sense is happily on github already.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; ">
- adding it to the <a href="http://puredata.info/downloads" target="_blank">puredata.info/downloads</a> section will make it easy for<br>
people to find<br>
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- and making sure it works fine when you drop it into ~/pd-externals,<br>
~/Library/Pd, etc.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>did that to facilitate installation process during my workshop.</div><div>Will add it to downloads when it will be ready.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">Tag a release, and github will make a download link for you. Then you can add that to the downloads page.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">.hc<br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br style="font-family: Tahoma; "></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br style="font-family: Tahoma; "></div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish. -William Carlos Williams</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span>
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