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I'll be honest, I've been on the PD mailing list a couple of years now, since my final year at university. I've found it a generally welcoming and 'troll free' online community. It's something very positive about the list. <br><br>That being said, my level of involvement does keep me from getting in to some of the more in-depth discussions, so I can't speak for all the traffic on here. But I've never noticed a tone or content problem on here<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:20:06 -0500<br>> From: dafydd61@gmail.com<br>> To: scottrlooney@gmail.com<br>> CC: pd-list@iem.at<br>> Subject: Re: [PD] list etiquette<br>> <br>> Hey Scott - yeah I figured that was the case.<br>> <br>> Now let's make some art!<br>> <br>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last statement.<br>> > it started out as a request to filter a particular member from the list. the<br>> > 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at everyone, not a<br>> > particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was going to single out<br>> > another on this list, they should be aware of their positive contributions'.<br>> > no offense or accusation was implied.<br>> ><br>> > best,<br>> ><br>> > scott<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> Hey Scott<br>> >><br>> >> Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear<br>> >> this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm<br>> >> definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his<br>> >> contributions.<br>> >><br>> >> Cheers<br>> >> Dafydd<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" <scottrlooney@gmail.com><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> i'll chime in first - as i am a new member of the list, and having<br>> >> trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would<br>> >> say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list<br>> >> largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an<br>> >> occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists<br>> >> are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking<br>> >> behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended and the flame war ensues.<br>> >> whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty<br>> >> bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.<br>> >><br>> >> so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose<br>> >> positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their<br>> >> occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find<br>> >> insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i<br>> >> would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are<br>> >> referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of<br>> >> his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this<br>> >> list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to<br>> >> give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at<br>> >> others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was<br>> >> taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD<br>> >> forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always<br>> >> there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the<br>> >> values of open source collaboration intact.<br>> >><br>> >> scott<br>> >><br>> >> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.<br>> >>><br>> >>> On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> > I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone<br>> >>> > of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one<br>> >>> > member.<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list<br>> >>> > member,<br>> >>> > but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> > -Jonathan<br>> >>> ><br>> >>> >> ________________________________<br>> >>> >> From: Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com><br>> >>> >> To: ALAN BROOKER <alan.brooker2010@gmail.com><br>> >>> >> Cc: mahatGma rabintrah <mahatgma@gmail.com>; pd-list@iem.at<br>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM<br>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> Hey folks<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too<br>> >>> >> long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those<br>> >>> >> for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a<br>> >>> >> specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list<br>> >>> >> administrators. Is this correct?<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking<br>> >>> >> about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if<br>> >>> >> they're not written down, correct?<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly<br>> >>> >> reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting<br>> >>> >> back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I<br>> >>> >> have to agree with Alan Brooker:<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >>> Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets<br>> >>> >>> get<br>> >>> >>> some good will together.<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I<br>> >>> >> probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly<br>> >>> >> supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths,<br>> >>> >> isn't it?<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> cheers<br>> >>> >> dafydd<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list<br>> >>> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><br>> >>> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list<br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >><br>> >>> >><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list<br>> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><br>> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list<br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list<br></div> </div></body>
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