<HTML><BODY>Thanks, Jonathan !<br><br>Seems, you did a giant work. <br><br>I'll try to set it up on my machine .<br><br>best !<br><br>serg<br><br><br>Mon, 3 Sep 2012 20:08:16 -0700 (PDT) от Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com>:<br>
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<div id="style_13467282200000000873_BODY">Hello serg,<br>
I made an attempt to build a search engine awhile back:<br>
<a href="http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/searchandbrowseplugin/view?searchterm=search%20plugin" target="_blank">http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/searchandbrowseplugin/view?searchterm=search%20plugin</a><br>
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This plugin is designed to be exactly what you are looking for-- I know because I had the same problems<br>
when starting out with Pd and read similarly dreadful responses.<br>
<br>
<br>
It is a GUI plugin. Use the links Iohannes provided to install it.<br>
<br>
The plugin is designed to work with Pd-extended. (I also back-ported a version to use with Pd-l2ork but it<br>
isn't included there yet.) It searches for help patches in all the default sys and lib<br>
<br>
paths, plus any extra ones you specify in the path dialog (though this dialog may have been removed<br>
in a recent version-- I don't remember).<br>
<br>
Full text search works with all help patches. Searching by using the keywords listed toward the bottom of<br>
the main search page will only return results for help patches that have keyword metadata (i.e., help<br>
patches which I've revised to be searchable, which is maybe half of everything in Pd-extended).<br>
<br>
For me full text searches tend to take a few seconds on my GNU/Linux machine and much longer on<br>
OSX. (In Windows the first search takes forever but subsequent searches are somewhat faster.) I think<br>
improving the speed would require building an index and would be a lot more work.<br>
<br>
<br>
You won't get results for classes that don't have help patches, but then if the developer was too lazy to<br>
document what the object does then I'm sure they used all the time saved to make the object work flawlessly... :)<br>
<br>
Speaking of dev laziness-- there are many objects which have nearly empty help patches. If you run into<br>
this, be sure to try clicking the little "info" icon next to the search result. It will bring up the README.txt file<br>
for the corresponding library which often will give you a few more clues about the object in question. You can<br>
also click the folder icon to open an external file browser to see the full contents of an external library (like the <br>
<br>
binaries and and other non-doc files).<br>
<br>
<br>
Let me know if there are any keyword categories that would be useful to add to the main search page.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Jonathan<br>
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> From: Фывапр Олджэвич <<a href="sentmsg?compose&To=tofuckof@inbox.ru">tofuckof@inbox.ru</a>><br>
>To: João Pais <<a href="sentmsg?compose&To=jmmmpais@googlemail.com">jmmmpais@googlemail.com</a>> <br>
>Cc: pd-list@iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig <<a href="sentmsg?compose&To=zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>> <br>
>Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 6:16 AM<br>
>Subject: Re: [PD] finding objects ?<br>
> <br>
><br>
>Thankyou for your list !<br>
><br>
><br>
>\\ I know, although it's never actual.<br>
><br>
>- Why ? I mean that if I don't know all the objects by memory, and I need some function to be done - I need easy search by categorys and so on - with descriptions... it is much easear, than asking List every time... and also helps to learn other objects faster.<br>
><br>
>\\Also the object completion plugin helps to find <br>
>objects (pd-ext 0.43).<br>
><br>
>- what is it ? is it complemented with Extended 0.43 ? or should it be loaded apart ? and does it work for Windows ?<br>
><br>
><br>
>cheers !<br>
><br>
>serg<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 11:24:09 +0200 от João Pais <<a href="sentmsg?compose&To=jmmmpais@googlemail.com">jmmmpais@googlemail.com</a>>:<br>
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> <br>
>> <br>
>>> On 2012-09-03 00:19, ?????? ???????? wrote:<br>
>>>> Dear list !<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Where can I find the most complete PD-objects and commands<br>
>>>> reference, please ?<br>
>>><br>
>>> right click on the object.<br>
>>> select help.<br>
>><br>
>>for pd-vanilla, right-click anywhere in an empty space, and select help.<br>
>>for pd-extended, there isn't one. my list (attached) is the most complete <br>
>>I know, although it's never actual. the pd-floss website also has a list, <br>
>>but only with part of the objects in this document.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>>> And why it is not on the main site - puredata.info ?<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> because with help-patches that yre on your computer you do not have to<br>
>>> be online and you can copy&paste interesting stuff.<br>
>><br>
>>or rather more because development of pd-extended externals is a bit <br>
>>chaotic, some developers don't do proper documentation, there isn't a <br>
>>system to control the quality (or existence) of documentation, etc...<br>
>><br>
>>Jonathan Wilkes has done lots of work with pddp to update the <br>
>>documentation. Pd-Ext 0.43 has much more ressources, including better help <br>
>>patches for pd-vanilla. Also the object completion plugin helps to find <br>
>>objects (pd-ext 0.43).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>João<br>
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