<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>I think that the Apple App Store terms conflict with the LGPL as much as the GPL. The issue is not related to linking, but rather the ability for the user to create the exact app from the source code. Apple's addition of DRM to apps in the App Store is the culprit there.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/459833/which-open-source-licenses-are-compatible-with-the-iphone-and-app-store">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/459833/which-open-source-licenses-are-compatible-with-the-iphone-and-app-store</a></div><div><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8501685/ios-app-and-lgpl-issue">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8501685/ios-app-and-lgpl-issue</a></div><div><a href="http://opensourcedelivers.com/2011/09/13/lgpl-the-apple-app-store-no-easy-solutions/">http://opensourcedelivers.com/2011/09/13/lgpl-the-apple-app-store-no-easy-solutions/</a></div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Correct. RjDj like + visual scripting. <div><br></div><div>I know [expr~] is now LGPL, but I'm not sure about [expr] yet ... in either case, I've left them and any GPL code out so far due to Apple's licensing. GPL patches, however are kosher since they are not compiled and you'll be able to modify/update them.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, the app has a desktop version ...<br><div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Epic Jefferson <<a href="mailto:jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com">jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">So, it will be just like rjdj in the sense that it'll use pd-vanilla + rjlib? + the benefit of coding interactive graphics in Lua? (i think it's a benefit anyways) What about the infamous topic of the [expr] object?<div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Dan Wilcox <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" target="_blank">danomatika@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I want to release it on the app store. Now that the scripting-langauge barrier is released, it's possible. It has a WebDAV server built in so you can manage your scenes and abstractions. I'll be updating my rc-patches to work with rjlib and vanilla, so there should be plenty of stuff to use out of the box.<div>
<div class="h5"><br><div><div>On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Epic Jefferson <<a href="mailto:jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
I'm very happy you're doing this. this is exactly what i want to do, but i'm still a few years away programming-wise. How do you plan to distribute it, on the app store as a standard app? or something a bit more hacker friendly? perhaps a .ipa we can jam in there via ssh?<div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Dan Wilcox <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" target="_blank">danomatika@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hey all,</div><div><div><br></div><div>I made a video demo of the robotcowboy app: <a href="https://vimeo.com/52557228" target="_blank">https://vimeo.com/52557228</a></div><div><br>
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<div>----</div><div><br></div><div>Description</div><div><br></div><div>The robotcowboy app is an audio/visual environment for performance with visual Lua scripting and Pure Data audio patching. Think of it as Processing and PD wrapped up into a single app that will run on Mac/Win/Linux and iOS.<br>
<br></div><div>It features:<br>* a Pure Data audio instance<br>* a Lua scripting environment inspired by OpenFrameworks/Processing<br>* a scene system including playlists<br>* midi io (yes, on iPad too)<br>* inter-app OSC communication<br>
* 2d physics using Box2d<br><br></div><div>The idea is that I want a single environment focused on performance with an easy workflow that doesn't involve compilation (ala C++ & OpenFrameworks) and runs on multiple platforms. This way, I can get in the flow, make some scenes, upload them to my iPad, and go play a show.<br>
<br></div><div>Check it out on Github: <a href="https://github.com/danomatika/robotcowboy" target="_blank">github.com/danomatika/robotcowboy</a></div></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 23, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" target="_blank">danomatika@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Sorry, I should have clarified.<div><br></div><div>RjDj the entity is going great.</div><div><br></div><div>RjDj the original iOS app, is no longer being supported and is now no longer availabel on the App Store. From the <a href="http://blog.rjdj.me/more-than-an-app" target="_blank">RjDj blog</a>:</div>
<div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">In all these years, RjDj grew out of this app and really became something different. RjDj became a new way how to think music, it became a brand. This development is something we want to enforce which is the reason why we are now positioning everything for our future.<br>
<br>As a first step we are cleaning up our "old" apps which also means that we are retiring the good old RjDj app. Don't be sad, we are working on some great new content released through "The Dark Knight Rises Z+" app and we are also working on the exciting "Music Zones" project which we are currently test driving in the UK app store.<br>
<br>So starting from next week, we won't make the app available in the app store anymore, so if you are a nostalgic app collector, this is your last chance to get it. You will still be able to use the installed app but we won't be supporting it any longer. This means that you won't be able to upload recordings or download scenes. On October 8th we will also change our website.</blockquote>
</div><div><br></div><div>I was directly inspired by RjDj to in making a similar app and thanks to Peter, et al. libpd makes it possible. I have used RjDj for a number of small experiments and are sad to see it go, but in the end I needed something that works more for my needs, so I've been working towards making my own app.</div>
<div><br><div><div>On Oct 23, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Do you mind saying why is the app off the iOS app store?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1.5pt;border-left-color:blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt">
<div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list-bounces@iem.at</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-" target="_blank">pd-</a><a href="mailto:list-bounces@iem.at" target="_blank">list-bounces@iem.at</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Dan Wilcox<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:06 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>pd list<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[PD] rjdj is gone, robotcowboy is coming ...<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Hey all,<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">So it seems the rjdj app is off the iOS app store already :(<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Just letting you know I have an alternative coming for running pd patches on iOS & desktop: the robotcowboy app. It's basically my performance environment as an app including pd, midi, osc, and a Processing-like lua scripting environment.<u></u><u></u></div>
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I could use some help on beta testing, website work, etc soon since I'm trying to get this out *while* planning/working on my masters thesis project (robotcowboy is going to Mars!). Any help would be greatly appreciated. This app is being built in OpenFrameworks, so it works on Mac/Win/Lin & iOS. Android support could be added, but I don't have an android device.<u></u><u></u></div>
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<a href="https://github.com/danomatika/robotcowboy" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://github.com/danomatika/robotcowboy</a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="http://danomatika.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">danomatika.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
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