i'm sorry if i ruffled anyone's feathers, but as a Max guy [coll] is really useful for me. for example, if i know that using send and receives uses up more CPU, i start think think of remote ways to send and retrieve multiple lists. [coll] is perfect for that. one part of the machine stores values in [coll] the other part retrieves them. easy to set and retrieve multiple values as a result anywhere in the patch.<div>
<br></div><div>maybe it would just be fine if someone had a list of vetted externals compiled for libpd with a simple chart indicating whether it runs in iOS, Android, whatever. in fact it turns out that cyclone was ported by someone to libpd, so you can fork their build, and see if it works for you. still covered under BSD 3Clause (i looked up BSD 3 clause and it told me about the alternate name of Improved BSD) and if you read the license you can see it's more permissive about using binaries. anyway here's the site with the [cyclone] port:</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/niklassaers/PdTest02WithCyclone">https://github.com/niklassaers/PdTest02WithCyclone</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>i'm totally in support of the GPL but i think that a number of us are still using iOS devices because the hardware performance in audio in Android has yet to come up to the level of performance available in iOS. i believe that should happen sometime soon-ish, but until then it's a real issue, and there need to be alternatives available.</div>
<div><br></div><div>scott</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Dan Wilcox <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" target="_blank">danomatika@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Jesus, I wasn't responding to the specific example, nor was I saying you can do *everything* in Pd without externals. I too would love [coll] and [zl] in pd-vanilla. I'm also not saying you can easily build copies of them in vanilla, just that it is possible for certain things depending on what you need. By "seeing the vanilla light", I mean more that there are some things I needed externals for that I can replace and others I can reduce to a usable set for what I need ala rjdj. This is mainly because I will now need to target both desktop PD and a libpd environment.<div>
<br></div><div>Also, I've never had to sort a list of symbols, so our workflow is different. I mainly use PD for sound only and do graphics/other tasks separately.<div><div class="h5"><br><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>I didn't mean to bring up an externals vs vanilla debate. We obviously use what's best for the situation. I'm choosing to work more in vanilla land because I simply can't include some externals in my app. Plus, I know those patches will *just work* for everyone.<br>
</blockquote><br>And what I'm saying is that some of those abstractions will _not_ *just work* for everyone because of the severe<br>limitations of working in Pd Vanilla without any externals. You can't easily change [symbolarray] to accommodate<br>
an array of lists instead of an array of symbols, and you cannot easily add a sorting mechanism because<br>splitting symbols in Pd is difficult and slow. For someone coming from Max's [coll] and [zl] and finding [textfile]/<br>
[qlist] inadequate for their list-of-list handling needs I find it very unlikely that [symbolarray] would suit their<br>needs.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">We'll see in practice if this works, but I'd much rather avoid coding custom externals for this project.<br>
<br><br>Also, does anyone know what cyclone's license is? I can't find the current version in the svn, but the old zip on the website has a BSD-like license. Having [coll] and [seq] would be very useful. It'd be nice to see these in vanilla at some point ... why reinvent the wheel?<br>
</blockquote><br>Look in [pd META] in the help patches for both those objects and it should tell you the license.<br>SIBSD = Standard Improved BSD (which isn't a "standard" name for this license at all so we should<br>
probably change the terminology at some point) = 3-clause BSD<br><br>-Jonathan<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>[1] You can certainly split symbols and count their length in Pd vanilla but it ain't<br><blockquote type="cite">
pretty.<br></blockquote><br>[list-sort] in list-abs.<br></blockquote><br><br>It only works for lists of floats:<br><br><br>[list abigail aardvark(<br>|<br>[list-abs/list-sort]<br>|<br>[print]<br><br>print: list-sort: Warning: dropped a non-number from list<br>
print: list-sort: Warning: dropped a non-number from list<br>print: bang<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>--------<br>Dan Wilcox<br><a href="http://danomatika.com" target="_blank">danomatika.com</a><br><a href="http://robotcowboy.com" target="_blank">robotcowboy.com</a><br>
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