Yip yip - same here:<br><br>0.43.4-extended-20130107<br><br>WARNING: 64-bit builds are still beta, some libraries are known to have serious issues (cyclone, maxlib, moonlib, moocow, pdp, bsaylor, etc.)<br>/usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl/../startup/1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup library'!<br>
<br><br>[list] has only one inlet. <br><br>Debian Sid/Wheezy 64b.<br><br><br>Best wishes,<br><br>Julian<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 January 2013 21:26, batinste <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwanafite@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">dwanafite@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Weirder and weirder. Pd-ext still cannot load 1.list.pd_linux. I get<br>
<br>
error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup library'!<br>
<br>
but :<br>
<br>
~$ ls /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/ | grep list<br>
1.list.pd_linux<br>
<br>
<br>
So i deinstalled the last auto-build of Pd-extended for ubuntu 12.10 x64 :<br>
<br>
~$ sudo dpkg --purge pd-extended<br>
(Lecture de la base de données... 303007 fichiers et répertoires déjà installés.)<br>
Suppression de pd-extended ...<br>
Purge des fichiers de configuration de pd-extended ...<br>
dpkg : avertissement : while removing pd-extended, directory '/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra' not empty so not removed<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « hicolor-icon-theme »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « bamfdaemon »...<br>
Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.<u></u>index...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « desktop-file-utils »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « gnome-menus »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « man-db »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « menu »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « shared-mime-info »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ureadahead »...<br>
<br>
in the extra directory are ANN library and the missing earplug_data.txt. It shouldn't interfere with the rest.<br>
<br>
Then i removed preferences backups i did in my /home/me : .pdextended, .pdextended~, .pdextended.<u></u>thisoneactuallyworks, etc :)<br>
<br>
Then, downloaded Pd-0.43.4-extended-ubuntu-<u></u>quantal-amd64.deb from <a href="http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/" target="_blank">http://autobuild.puredata.<u></u>info/auto-build/latest/</a> and<br>
<br>
~$ sudo dpkg -i Desktop/Pd-0.43.4-extended-<u></u>ubuntu-quantal-amd64.deb<br>
Sélection du paquet pd-extended précédemment désélectionné.<br>
(Lecture de la base de données... 295934 fichiers et répertoires déjà installés.)<br>
Dépaquetage de pd-extended (à partir de .../Pd-0.43.4-extended-ubuntu-<u></u>quantal-amd64.deb) ...<br>
Paramétrage de pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) ...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ureadahead »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « shared-mime-info »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « menu »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « man-db »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « bamfdaemon »...<br>
Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.<u></u>index...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « desktop-file-utils »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « gnome-menus »...<br>
Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « hicolor-icon-theme »...<br>
<br>
and finally<br>
:~$ pd-extended -stderr -verbose<br>
input channels = 0, output channels = 0<br>
Pd-0.43.4 ("extended") compiled 09:20:08 Jan 20 2013<br>
port 5400<br>
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd-<u></u>extended/lib/tcl/library" TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd-<u></u>extended/lib/tk/library" wish8.5 "/usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl//pd-<u></u>gui.tcl" 5400<br>
priority 6 scheduling enabled.<br>
Waiting for connection request...<br>
priority 8 scheduling enabled.<br>
/usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd-<u></u>watchdog<br>
... connected<br>
opened 0 MIDI input device(s) and 0 MIDI output device(s).<br>
input channels = 0, output channels = 0<br>
Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.<u></u>conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.<br>
verbose(5): Using /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup as startup.<br>
verbose(4): Loading /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>0.libdir.pd_linux<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>libdir/libdir.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>libdir/libdir.pd_linux and succeeded<br>
verbose(3): libdir loader 1.9<br>
verbose(3): compiled on Jan 20 2013 at 09:23:51<br>
verbose(3): compiled against Pd version 0.43.4.extended<br>
verbose(4): Loading /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>1.list.pd_linux<br>
tried ./`Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`<u></u>Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./`Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`<u></u>Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried ./`Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`<u></u>Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./`Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`<u></u>Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`<u></u>Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried -meta.pd and failed<br>
error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup library'!<br>
<br>
verbose(4): Loading extra in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>extra<br>
tried ./extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried ./extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./extra/extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>extra/extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>extra/extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/extra.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried ./extra/extra-meta.pd and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>extra/extra-meta.pd and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>extra/extra-meta.pd and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/extra-meta.pd and succeeded<br>
verbose(3): libdir_loader: added 'extra' to the global objectclass path<br>
verbose(14): Loaded libdir 'extra' from '/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra'<br>
verbose(4): Loading pdlua in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>pdlua<br>
tried ./pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried ./pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and succeeded<br>
watchdog: signaling pd...<br>
verbose(3): pdlua 0.7.1 (GPL) 2012 Martin Peach, based on<br>
verbose(3): lua 0.6~svn (GPL) 2008 Claude Heiland-Allen <<a href="mailto:claudiusmaximus@goto10.org" target="_blank">claudiusmaximus@goto10.org</a>><br>
verbose(3): pdlua: compiled for pd-0.43 on Jan 20 2013 09:23:51<br>
verbose(4): Loading tclpd in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>tclpd<br>
tried ./tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried ./tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and succeeded<br>
verbose(3): tclpd loader v0.3.0<br>
verbose(3): tclpd: trying to load /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.tcl...<br>
verbose(3): tclpd: loaded /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>tclpd/tclpd.tcl<br>
verbose(4): Loading vanilla in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>vanilla<br>
tried ./vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried ./vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried ./vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried ./vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and succeeded<br>
verbose(3): libdir_loader: added 'vanilla' to the global objectclass path<br>
verbose(14): Loaded libdir 'vanilla' from '/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla'<br>
<br>
If i try to open a new patch and create and [list], it has only one inlet.<br>
<br>
then i restart pd-ext, and If i try to open a new patch and [import list], i get<br>
<br>
tried /home/batinste/list.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/list.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla/list.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/<u></u>list.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/<u></u>list.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>list.l_ia64 and failed<br>
tried /home/batinste/list.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>extra/list.pd_linux and failed<br>
tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/<u></u>vanilla/list.pd_linux and succeeded<br>
verbose(3): [import] loaded library: 'list'<br>
<br>
Then i try to create a [list], it has 2 inlets.<br>
<br>
my .pdextended :<br>
<br>
audioapi: 2<br>
noaudioin: True<br>
noaudioout: True<br>
audiobuf: 50<br>
rate: 44100<br>
callback: 0<br>
blocksize: 64<br>
nomidiin: True<br>
nomidiout: True<br>
npath: 0<br>
standardpath: 1<br>
verbose: 1<br>
nloadlib: 0<br>
defeatrt: 0<br>
flags:<br>
<br>
<br>
my /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.<u></u>pdextended :<br>
<br>
audioapi: 1<br>
standardpath: 1<br>
verbose: 0<br>
defeatrt: 0<br>
flags:<br>
loadlib1: Gem<br>
loadlib2: cyclone<br>
loadlib3: zexy<br>
loadlib4: creb<br>
loadlib5: cxc<br>
loadlib6: iemlib<br>
loadlib7: list-abs<br>
loadlib8: mapping<br>
loadlib9: markex<br>
loadlib10: maxlib<br>
loadlib11: mjlib<br>
loadlib12: motex<br>
loadlib13: oscx<br>
loadlib14: pddp<br>
loadlib15: pdogg<br>
loadlib16: pmpd<br>
loadlib17: sigpack<br>
loadlib18: smlib<br>
loadlib19: unauthorized<br>
loadlib20: pan<br>
loadlib21: hcs<br>
loadlib22: jmmmp<br>
loadlib23: ext13<br>
loadlib24: ggee<br>
loadlib25: iem_anything<br>
loadlib26: ekext<br>
loadlib27: flatgui<br>
loadlib28: chaos<br>
loadlib29: pdp<br>
nloadlib: 29<br>
path1: /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-<u></u>conf.d/dirs/TrueType<br>
npath: 1<br>
<br>
<br>
if it's a bug, i'll happily file it.<br>
<br>
On 21/01/2013 02:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Jan 20, 2013, at 5:52 PM, batinste wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 20/01/2013 21:02, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 01/20/2013 06:36 AM, batinste wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I was intrigued by this [$@< bug (mainly because i didn't knew about this $@<br>
thingy), so i decided to give it a try. Attached is my test patch. It crashes<br>
on my ubuntu 12.10 64bits, Pd-l2ork version 20130111 compiled 13:18:07 Jan 11<br>
2013, way before reaching 1000 args. I launch it in my terminal with :<br>
<br>
~$ pd-l2ork test-dollar-at.pd<br>
<br>
All i have to do is continuously move my mouse over the patch while it's<br>
running, and it will crash around 100 args. You can also try to play with the<br>
vslider, it will crash. OR (curiously), it won't crash when moving the mouse,<br>
but going in and out of edit mode or saving will make it crash...<br>
<br>
On a side note, look at the patch cord going out of the vslider : it looks<br>
weird to me, like attached a few pixels under the vslider, not directly<br>
connected to it.<br>
</blockquote>
That's worth a bug report! It worked for me: I left it alone for a while and<br>
it went to 24817, then once I clicked in the patch, it crashed instantly.<br>
Batinste, could you file a bug report and include your patch?<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
ok !<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Ok now, the fun part :<br>
When i open this patch with pd-extended (Pd-0.43.4 ("extended-20130118")<br>
compiled 09:30:52 Jan 18 2013), [list] only has one inlet (it should have 2,<br>
given that it's supposed to behave like [list append]) and when i want to see<br>
[list]'s help file, pd-ext opens bang's help file... When i open the same<br>
patch with pd-l2ork, the lists do have 2 inlets. Oh, and pd-extended happened<br>
to display lists with their 2 inlets, but i can't reproduce this reliably. I<br>
tried to open the patch with -noprefs (to ensure that i didn't have a<br>
forgotten [list] abstraction somewhere) same issue.<br>
<br>
Am i cursed or something ?<br>
</blockquote>
I've never seen the [list] with the single inlet bug. Can you send me a patch<br>
to reproduce it? I think that would happen if you run 'pd-extended<br>
-nostartup' which will prevent the list lib from being automatically loaded at<br>
startup.<br>
<br>
-noprefs won't disable loading from ~/pd-externals or<br>
/usr/local/lib/pd-externals since that's hard coded in Pd.<br>
<br>
.hc<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
oops my bad, i did not see this : error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/<u></u>1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup library'!<br>
It was with the patch i attached earlier.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Where you able to fix that error? That file is definitely included in the packages that I've tried.<br>
<br>
.hc<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 20/01/2013 07:35, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
From: Ivica Ico Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>><br>
To: 'Jonathan Wilkes' <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>>; 'Hans-Christoph Steiner'<br>
<<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank">hans@at.or.at</a>><br>
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:21 PM<br>
Subject: RE: [PD] enhance pd-extended with pd-l2ork featues ?<br>
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> Why not simply use pd-l2ork?<br>
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I do, but possible reasons why someone might not use Pd-l2ork:<br>
* no binary for windows<br>
* no binary for OSX<br>
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On the flip-side pd-l2ork provides a solid, bug-free environment on Linux<br>
and looks a lot more contemporary than the aged default tk iteration. In<br>
other words, it is a targeted Linux distribution of pd (something that can<br>
be easily lost in a cross-platform effort with inadequate developer support,<br>
as I am sure Hans can attest to). At this point I would go as far as<br>
challenge you to find something that does not work or exhibits a buggy<br>
behavior<br>
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$@ in msg box probably still crashes when incoming args > 1000 (same with<br>
pd-extended)<br>
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-Jonathan<br>
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