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On Feb 2, 2013 8:38 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 02/02/2013 02:06 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> >> From: Max <<a href="mailto:abonnements@revolwear.com">abonnements@revolwear.com</a>><br>
> >> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>><br>
> >> Cc: Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>>; PD list <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:32 AM<br>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Apply missing<br>
> >><br>
> >> Am 27.01.2012 um 17:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>>:<br>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>> From: Max <<a href="mailto:abonnements@revolwear.com">abonnements@revolwear.com</a>><br>
> >>>>> Am 27.01.2012 um 02:50 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:<br>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 22:51 +0100, Max wrote:<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> i noticed that in the current autobuilds of Pd-extended the<br>
> >> property<br>
> >>>>> dialogs for the gui-objects are missing the Apply-Button. Is that a<br>
> >> bug or a<br>
> >>>>> feature?<br>
> >>>>>>> IMHO this is a bug - if you want to adjust for instance a<br>
> >> canvas to be<br>
> >>>>> the same size as another object of unknown size you can do that<br>
> >> with a few<br>
> >>>>> clicks and the help of the Apply button. If you have to click OK<br>
> >> and then go to<br>
> >>>>> context menu->Properties, set the size, OK repeately to do that<br>
> >> it's<br>
> >>>>> simply annoying.<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> That seems like a good enough reason, I brought back the Apply<br>
> >> button to<br>
> >>>>>> the iemgui Properties panel on Mac OS X. It was originally<br>
> >> moved since<br>
> >>>>>> the whole "OK, Apply, Cancel" is very Windows-like,<br>
> >> but there<br>
> >>>>> isn't an<br>
> >>>>>> easy way to make to work better, so the Apply button is back.<br>
> >> IMHO,<br>
> >>>>>> when you change the setting, it should take effect immediately.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> great. i agree that ideally i'd like to be able to see that<br>
> >> change happen<br>
> >>>>> immediately. even better: when grabbing the bottom-right corner<br>
> >> i'd have an<br>
> >>>>> anchor to scale the object (see Max/MSP for that)…<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Also see: pd-l2ork<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I think you are referring to Ico trying to make the iemguis resizable live<br>
> >> with a handle. I should finally get to releasing something useful form the<br>
> >> tkwidgets lib, since that also includes resizing with a handle.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I just had another Idea how to solve this: Two buttons: Cancel and OK when you<br>
> >> change some properties in the Dialog the OK Button becomes labeled Apply. If<br>
> >> clicked on Apply, the new properties are applied and the Button becomes labeled<br>
> >> OK. If you click OK the Dialog is closed.<br>
> >> That way a double click on Apply will apply and close the dialog.<br>
> ><br>
> > That would double the number of clicks for users who never want to use<br>
> > Apply.<br>
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> I think that we should avoid patch fixes and do the right thing. I think we<br>
> should follow the example of Pd itself, but then also GNOME and Mac OS X<br>
> preferences: changes should take effect immediately without having to hit<br>
> apply or OK. Then there should be unlimited undo for returning to previous<br>
> states. The first part o that is not hard, the second part is. But since<br>
> unlimited undo is working in some parts of pd-l2ork, we at least have a<br>
> working example to draw from.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What do you mean by "in some parts?" Can you give an example of where it does not work?<br></p>
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