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On Feb 3, 2013 2:05 PM, "Jonathan Wilkes" <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> >________________________________<br>
> > From: Ivica Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu">ico@vt.edu</a>><br>
> >To: Roman Haefeli <<a href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com">reduzent@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >Cc: pd-list <<a href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</a>><br>
> >Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:58 AM<br>
> >Subject: Re: [PD] Apply missing<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >Those are a part of the undo on pd-l2ork, as is changing properties of any other object, such as canvas and array (unlike pd-extended that in many cases fails to even acknowledge that the patch has been altered and needs to be saved, needless to mention add such change to its 1-step undo queue, e.g. try changing canvas properties and undoing it).<br>
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> A clarification here-- if you make changes to an iemgui programmatically by sending<br>
> messages to a receive-name, it doesn't get registered in the undo history.<br>
> This is nice. Because Pd is extremely limited in the GUI widgets it provides,<br>
> many people abuse iemguis to make things like file choosers and pop-up<br>
> menus, or even do GUI animations, which produce lots of "transient" changes<br>
> to iemguiproperties</p>
<p dir="ltr">Yep. And that was a conscious decision to leave it that way.<br></p>
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> >It would be nice if not spreading FUD were added to the mailing list netiquette...<br>
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> I recently added to the netiquette guide in an attempt to make newcomers<br>
> feel more welcome on the list. The aim is to decrease<br>
> posting anxiety, not increase it. We should remember technology<br>
> lowers the cost to assuming good faith when people are wrong in cases<br>
> like this, so please remain lazy and resist the urge to endlessly<br>
> loop in symbolic vigilance:<br>
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> [r reenter]<br>
> |<br>
> [spread FUD(<br>
> |<br>
> | [r stop]<br>
> | |<br>
> | [bang; reenter But I'm acting in bad faith so why do I care about not spreading FUD?(<br>
> | |<br>
> | [t b b]<br>
> | | /<br>
> [until] /<br>
> | [add2 in bad faith(<br>
> | /<br>
> | /<br>
> | /<br>
> | /<br>
> |/<br>
> [Netiquette guide says Don't spread FUD(<br>
> |<br>
> [s stop]<br>
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> -Jonathan<br>
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