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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/26/2013 09:07 PM, András Murányi
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Ivica
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<p dir="ltr">This may be because you didn't hide gop titles,
in which case pd-l2ork resizes gop size to match the text
width.</p>
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<div>Yes this is indeed the case. I noticed, however, that there
was no title to be displayed, meaning that with "hide GOP
title" unchecked, the rectangle was bigger but there was no
title (see attachment).<br>
And it shows the frame when it's embedded in another GOP. <br>
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AFAIK embedded GOP objects have always had frames. This is why all
iemguis also have frames/inlets/outlets even when embedded inside
GOP. I think your background made them hard to distinguish. I could
be wrong, though, but I always remember seeing those.<br>
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As for the text not being displayed, can you send me the slider
abstraction? It could be that since you've originally saved the
abstraction inside regular pd that it did not get adjusted
completely to conform to pd-l2ork's way of dealing with these. Try
manually readjusting the GOP size and re-save it. It should either
prevent you from resizing it below the text size or do it just fine
provided you've disabled the showing of text. As for text not
showing in a subpatcher even though it should, this is something I
should investigate.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Regarding slow redraw, can you try latest
version? I fixed one major inefficiency.</p>
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<div>I'll try it as soon as I get to it. I noticed meanwhile
that during the hangup, this error is thrown to the command
line a few times:<br>
tcl/tk error: unknown encoding "yahoo"<br>
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This likely refers to text encoding if you use something
unusual/setup-specific.<br>
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András<br>
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<div class="h5">On Feb 26, 2013 6:22 PM, "András Murányi"
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Thanks for the reply.<br>
The hangup is literally 5 minutes, CPU is maxed out
most of the time. The undo takes 5 seconds, again
literally.<br>
It doesn't occur in pd-extended.<br>
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Nested gop subpatches should show their outlines and
xlets (just like number2 or toggle does as well),
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Well, traditionally they don't and I think they
should not. This would be consistent behavior if the
borders of every element in the outer GOP subpatch
would be visible. *However, I was wrong and actually
this is not what's happening.*<br>
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Rather, it seems that some GOP subpatches have the
wrong size, and then they also show thru nested GOPs.
See the attached screenshot: at the top left corder of
the open subpatch, there are two GOP subpatches ("Cut"
and "Res"; their guts are shown in the open subpatch
window), each wider than they should be. The big gray
rectangle at the bottom of the image is a large GOP
subpatch itself, and the same nested GOP shows thru
it. I couldn't reproduce this symptom from scratch.<br>
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András<br>
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<div>One clarification now that I read your
report more carefully. Mknob makes abstraction
movement slower because this is the
old/non-accelerated pd way of moving things.
The new pd-l2ork model falls back on that when
at least one object in the abstraction does
not support accelerated moving. Once I get to
fixing the mknob to support accelerated
displace, this will be fixed. I am still
surprised to hear this is taking 5 minutes,
though. Is this an exaggeration or truly 5
minutes?<br>
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Also, if you are undoing objects that are
non-accelerated or complex abstractions, you
are running into same problems because you are
moving and redrawing non-accelerated way...<br>
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Is the same slowness perceived on regular pd
when moving the said abstraction?<br>
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On 02/22/2013 03:34 PM, András Murányi
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<div>So, I've played around with the last
git, here are some things I've noticed:<br>
- miXed/toxy is not in pd-l2ork and it's
perfectly alrite because some kinds of
[widget] work while others not.<br>
- [flatgui/popup] is installed by default
but it throws an error when clicked on:
Invalid command name "pdtk_canvas_mouse".<br>
- moving a simple GOP abstraction with a
single [mknob] in it takes like 5 minutes
(!) on a 2.4GHz dual core when the patch
is big. It's fast however when the patch
is simple. Undoing the movement is not
instant but it is quick (~5sec).<br>
- nested GOP subpatches show off their
outlines and xlets.<br clear="all">
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-- <br>
Murányi András <br>
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